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Don't forget to vote America!

Darkbee — GMT

And no, I'm not talking about another Weewar poll!

See you all on the other side.

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Streen — GMT

is today the big day over there?

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Darkbee — GMT

Believe!

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Warmaker — GMT

I walked by the Boston Public Library on my way to work. The line was around the corner and down the street for two blocks.

Most of those people don't need to vote. It'll be 90% Obama for the state. I don't call this place the People's Republic of Taxachusetts for anything. Commies!

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Darkbee — GMT

Might as well make the US a dictatorship eh, save everyone the hassle of having to vote... such an inconvenience (and probably a shocking waste of paper too).

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Warmaker — GMT

Funny. It's always the dictatorships and the juntas and the despots who get things moving right away. There's no need for debate or voting or any slowed political process or beauracracy. Things just get done.

Saying that, if McCain wins, I hope the majority of Hollywood will make good on their threats to leave the country. Especially those who aren't even Americans. Assclowns.

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troymadsen — GMT

Speaking of long lines at voting places...just do as I do. Vote absentee. That way the government mails you your ballot (another huge waste of paper) and then you don't even have to wait in line.

@warmaker: yeah if anyone is threatening to leave the country I say let 'em. We have enough people here already

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Warmaker — GMT

I vote absentee. It saves me time and effort. Why go stand in line to save some trees? They don't pay taxes.

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Streen — GMT

[quote=Warmaker] Why go stand in line to save some trees? They don't pay taxes.[/quote]
They produce oxygen you numbnut!

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VTTruck — GMT

@dark - no worries about the paper trail. all electronic machines in this state. with no paper receipts in case of machine failure. cast iron system, eh? its sad that we think we're the world model of a democratic method.

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Warmaker — GMT

[quote=Streen][quote=Warmaker] Why go stand in line to save some trees? They don't pay taxes.[/quote]
They produce oxygen you numbnut! [/quote]

Don't blame me. Blame the Brazilians for destroying 1/5 the earth's biomass trying to create land to farm cattle. Michigan uses recycled paper anyway.

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Darkbee — GMT

[quote=Warmaker][quote=Streen][quote=Warmaker] Why go stand in line to save some trees? They don't pay taxes.[/quote]
They produce oxygen you numbnut! [/quote]

Don't blame me. Blame the Brazilians for destroying 1/5 the earth's biomass trying to create land to farm cattle. Michigan uses recycled paper anyway.[/quote]

The cattle is probably used to make Big Macs (I'm lead to believe there are trace elements of meat in Big Macs).

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Streen — GMT

[quote=Darkbee]I'm lead to believe there are trace elements of meat in Big Macs.[/quote]
If this forum supported signatures, this would be mine from now on.

In my language we say something like: "This burger has never seen a cow from the inside"

I found it really intriguing when I came to Britain and they put on the packaging of their sausages: "20% meat content guaranteed!" and advert it like its a great thing. The shit these people eat here is beyond disgusting. And then some folk complain about British tea You dont know the half of it. I am sure this ... Spam you Yanks eat is not even so bad compared to what we get over here. If it weren't for the food here, I don't think the British would have ever needed to enslave *cough* colonialise *cough* half the known world.

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I'm lead to believe there are trace elements of meat in Big Macs - Darkbee

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Darkbee — GMT

Had we not, we probably wouldn't have had curry! Are you going to tell me that curry is NOT fantastic? I'm sure even the savages from the north must have curry.

And I'm glad you appreciated my words of wisdom

Oh and I almost forgot... we're always under some empire or another, right now it's the US. Who knows, maybe China's turn is next.

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Streen — GMT

From what I understand, China already owns your asses, considering the massive depts the US have over there.

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Darkbee — GMT

You forgot your signiture

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Warmaker — GMT

We should move all the foreign debt owed to America by Central and South American, Africa, and Europe to China. Make those countries pay them, forgive our debt and forgive their debt.

Like when you're a kid and you owe your brother a favor? Your sister owes you a favor, so she can just owe him that same favor.

Done.

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Darkbee — GMT

Sounds completely logical to me. Oh wait, the logic conversation is in another thread.

Too... much... intelligent... conversation
can't... breathe...

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VTTruck — GMT

There's a rational explanation for the intelligent discourse the last few days.
The USA players have decided to send Texas it's village idiot back. We are all
getting excited by the prospect of an intelligent leader.

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Darkbee — GMT

Let's not get too excited, we are talking about politicians here. Although, Obama does look like he has at least half a brain, which is half more than what Bush has (or doesn't have, depending on which way you look at it).

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VTTruck — GMT

Certainly not too excited, we've had intellectual presidents before, and
we're still where we are today. Overspending, Overconfident and Overtaxed.
But its still hopefull to have someone coming into office that doesnt live
in his own little reality.

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Streen — GMT

I am excited for you people. I even went as far as reading the news 2 days ago (usually I never do).

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Warmaker — GMT

Personally, I don't think it's that Obama is super-intelligent. He's just a clone of Bill Clinton. He's well-spoken, he's evenly paced with his speech patterns, he has a good vocabularly. But in Star Wars' worst movie, The Phantom Menace, one of the jedi tells Jar-Jar "The ability to speak does not make one intelligent."

I don't mean to be a naysayer (not too much), but the next four years will reveal the true intellect of our nation's leader.

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Darkbee — GMT

The problem for Obama is that he's screwed either way. If he messes up big time, everyone will say "I told you so, we should have had McCain". If he's does an Ok job then people might say "McCain would have done better". There's a lot of pressure on the man to get it right, and I'm sure he's all too aware of that.

I personally hope that he turns about to be another Abraham Lincoln, got some balls and gets the job done. And to speak of Clinton, for all his charm and "womanizing" he too got the job done, he had the US in great shape and then Bush came along and undid all of the good work Clinton had done. I couldn't care less if the President of the United States is getting sexual favors from the Whitehouse janitor, so long as the job is getting done (the job of running the country and running it well that is).

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troymadsen — GMT

@warmaker: you are exactly right about Obama being liked mostly for his excellence in public speaking. Most people couldn't even name one "good" thing he has done while in public office, of which is a pretty short history. Not that I am saying he hasn't done any good things, just that your average American pays little to no attention to what is actually going on the the real political world because it really doesn't affect them enough to care. They have jobs to do, homes to take care of, children to watch after, and maybe some sleep if there is any time left over.

@DB: And don't give Clinton too much credit. He got lucky by being in office while the USA was on one of the greatest economic upswings in all of history, of which he had little to nothing to do with. And now we are having to deal with the effects of those "great economic times" of which were somewhat inflated and are now having to correct themselves. Don't make the mistake of thinking that the president has total and ultimate control of EVERYTHING that happens in the USA.

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Darkbee — GMT

[quote=troymadsen]Don't make the mistake of thinking that the president has total and ultimate control of EVERYTHING that happens in the USA. [/quote]

As soon as the US stops thinking it has ultimate control of EVERYTHING that happens in the world, I'll stop thinking that. There are plenty of people that say "how high?" when the President says "jump".

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troymadsen — GMT

agreed. I am not saying that the President doesn't have a fair amount of control for one person, just that I think a lot of people think that everything that goes on in this country is either his success or failure and that just isn't the case. And I agree with you that the US needs to back off on some of it's over-reaching foreign policies. That is a fairly significant part of our multi-trillion dollar national debt. We give any and all countries any money that they "need" and then they can pay us back "whenever". We need to take care of home first.

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Ecko — GMT

[quote=Darkbee][quote=troymadsen]Don't make the mistake of thinking that the president has total and ultimate control of EVERYTHING that happens in the USA. [/quote]

As soon as the US stops thinking it has ultimate control of EVERYTHING that happens in the world, I'll stop thinking that. There are plenty of people that say "how high?" when the President says "jump". [/quote]

Since when did Americans think they can control everything? Enlighten me.

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VTTruck — GMT

we've done it for ages. we shouldn't, but tis sadly true.

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troymadsen — GMT

I have to agree with VT on this one. No other country has as vast and far-reaching of a "foreign policy" as we do. At times it seems like we are policing the world. Just isn't right and people are starting to hate us for it...or at least show their long felt hatred in now visible and often violent ways.

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2Bee — GMT

You know what is really ironic... the United States was founded on trying to get away from that very same thing.

Ah the evil clutches of the monarchistic motherland. The good old days!

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Po — GMT

[quote=troymadsen]I have to agree with VT on this one. No other country has as vast and far-reaching of a "foreign policy" as we do. At times it seems like we are policing the world. Just isn't right and people are starting to hate us for it...or at least show their long felt hatred in now visible and often violent ways. [/quote]

I think we just choose the wrong targets. There are people everywhere in the world that would thank God for our help and supplies...We just don't go there.

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VTTruck — GMT

+1 to what po said. some of those places are in the usa.

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Streen — GMT

[quote=Ecko]Since when did Americans think they can control everything? Enlighten me.[/quote]
pretty much exactly since after the second world war, after which the whole world was in shattered peaces and the US were the only ones that actually earned money on it, and as such the US had nobody that could oppose them in any way, both military and economically. Your president at the time declared that The US is not the strongest nation on the planet and that this status must be uphold at all cost.
Most Americans still don't wanna face that fact that this status isn't true anymore since decades....

[quote=troymadsen]I have to agree with VT on this one. No other country has as vast and far-reaching of a "foreign policy" as we do. At times it seems like we are policing the world. Just isn't right and people are starting to hate us for it...or at least show their long felt hatred in now visible and often violent ways. [/quote]
Let me enlighten you, I have spoken to many people coming from nations all around Europe and the world, so believe me when I tell you that people dont start to hate you, but they really DO hate you. Nobody loves America these days and everybody is scared about what some lunatics in charge over there might do, there is no respect whatsoever. And all this is really funny cause after 911 you had the compassion of the whole world, everyone was on your side, and in just a few years you guys managed to piss EVERYONE off. Here in Europe, we were just hoping to live and see the day of the next re-election and hope that it would come before the next world war...

Now that you got a new president, most people might give it another try though. This was the best thing that could have happened to your nation. No matter how much Obama screws up, he will probably never be as bad as your current one.

anyway,I am just being honest, try to give you a european perspective

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VTTruck — GMT

no worries about being honest. you're spot on. not glad being part of the big bully nation,
but cant move to europe. everything is built too small over there.

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troymadsen — GMT

[quote=Streen]Let me enlighten you, I have spoken to many people coming from nations all around Europe and the world, so believe me when I tell you that people dont start to hate you, but they really DO hate you. Nobody loves America these days and everybody is scared about what some lunatics in charge over there might do, there is no respect whatsoever. And all this is really funny cause after 911 you had the compassion of the whole world, everyone was on your side, and in just a few years you guys managed to piss EVERYONE off. Here in Europe, we were just hoping to live and see the day of the next re-election and hope that it would come before the next world war... [/quote]

Well here is the devil's advocate side of it:

America, as one of the wealthiest nations in the world, implements arguably the most humanitarian effort around the world, both from our government and from businesses and individuals in general. You can google search US based humanitarian organizations and come up with an impressive list. While I do agree that we have done some things overseas that we shouldn't have, I think the world would do well to also notice all the good that America does across the world. People are always quick to point fingers at America when there are atrocities going on the world and say "why don't you help" and then when we try to it can often get thrown back in our faces.

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VTTruck — GMT

Sure, but many times we send our humanitarian efforts to places where either
A) we arent invited
or
B) we cant ensure the help gets where it needs to go

in both those cases we claim we need to send our military along to
make sure the hershey bars and cigarettes are reaching the
needy kids.

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Darkbee — GMT

To defend The US, because I think it's true that US does bring some good to the world. I don't think there's a nation on Earth that hasn't done something at one time or another in its history that is questionable. Britain had an empire at one time and was seen as the big bad bully. Likewise, the Romans were also seen as bullies, and the Huns, and the Vikings and so on and so on.

Unfortunately, there has probably never been a nation as powerful as the US, in the history of mankind, politically, financially and materially, and I think that is what upsets and scares at lot of other people around the world. Particularly when a man of questionable intellect such as Bush is in charge of a large percentage of those resources.

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VTTruck — GMT

Hey now - his intellect isn't questionable. It's proven to be quite low.

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troymadsen — GMT

Well said DB. Well said.

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Lucian — GMT

@ Bee: Your statement "there has probably never been a nation as powerful as the US, in the history of mankind, politically, financially and materially" is incorrect. If we're looking at countries in terms of culture and power, we have to look at it in terms of how they stood respective to their time. The Roman and the Chinese Empires even though worlds apart back in their days dominated their regions without question. The Mongol Empire in times of Genghis Khan extended across half the known world back then. The British Empire at it's height stretched across all the continents. They had money, power, you name it. Hell even pre and early World War II Germany was incredibly powerful. Modern US wouldn't dare take on the world like that.

In any case, as I always say, anyone with power can and will abuse it. It's in human nature to do so.

I think that the biggest thing that pisses people off about the modern day States is that they go where they're not wanted. Troy mentioned people asking for help, but that's a whole load of crap. No one wants the US presence near them. Both sides will inevitably get bombed and shit will only end up worse than it would have been originally. In the history of the world there has always traditionally been a winner and a loser in every war. To the winner go the spoils. Simple as that. Nowadays, when the US rocks in, everybody is a loser and somehow everyone always ends up owing money to the States.

The one thing that people in the US don't seem to get is that people from other countries dislike the government and the brute military forces that get sent into places where they shouldn't be, not the people. However it's not so much the "blind support" of the US public for their own troops (which is normal patriotism for any country), but rather the willingness to tell everyone else that they're in the wrong based on what you see through the filtered news channels without even being there and understanding what's happening that pisses people off. On the same token I know people who push for anti-US propaganda because it's suddenly become the popular thing to do.

In short... both sides are wrong. Let the governments fight their fights, but as people, for your own damn good, before you start making judgment calls learn a little bit about the other side. Look up the history of Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia and Kosovo. Look a little deeper and you'll see why people fight. The media is filtered, but at lest over the past 15 or so years we've been blessed with this wonderful thing called the Internet which allows us to share unfiltered information and to share our thoughts, which prior to that we usually kept hidden. For those of you in the US, look outside of your own world for a moment and realize that there are countries where it's downright impossible to find a job that pays more than a few hundred dollars a month if that. Realize that this isn't just something you look at for five minutes and forget about as it happens 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year for the rest of their lives! That's a bloody long time. You don't have to "help" but learning about what's out there will do you a lot of good.

As for those outside of the US... if you have regular Internet, check out their history. Even though it's a new country it does have a lot of interesting history. Learn a little about the issues that happen in the US and understand that people don't always see things from your view point. Granted, that's easier said than done.

The best thing for everyone would be to travel more. See the world. Each country, each city, each person you meet will change your view of this world ever so slightly. The more things you see the more angles you'll have on any given subject.

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Darkbee — GMT

You're right, it's a different world; I can't even take a s**t without the government knowing about it.

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troymadsen — GMT

For your information Lucian, I have traveled the world and probably been to places poorer than you have been. I spent over a month in the country of Namibia (southern Africa...look it up on a map cause I am sure you've never heard about it) traveling around and ministering to some of the poorest people in the world. A lot of whom lived in homes made of discarded road signs, cardboard, trash, etc. So don't assume that we are all so ignorant, please. The point I was trying to make is that the people of the United States get a bad rap, as you stated it has become the "cool" thing to hate us, and if all of the relief efforts that come out of America (government based, private based, etc.) were to completely stop there are a lot of people all around the world that would be in a much worse position then they are now.

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Lucian — GMT

@ troy: Now you're the one assuming and doing a pretty piss poor job at it. First and foremost I didn't direct my comments at you. I understand that for every generalization there are exceptions, but I also understand that for generalizations exist they must have some point of basis which a certain group has in common. My comment at travel was thrown everyone's way and not for purposes of showing anybody up, but rather to pass on advice I myself found useful. Traveling to different places exposes you to things that you never even thought existed and it changes perspective on life, which in my case has been positive. Sometimes hard to swallow but on the whole a very enlightening experience and there is no reason why I wouldn't want to share that with others.

As for your comment about you being places poorer than I have been, you are fully talking out of your ass now and what's more you're doing it for no other purpose than to be a prick. This is exactly what I was talking about. You spent a month in Namibia helping a handful of people and you feel all high and mighty because of it, actually convincing yourself that you know what life is like there better than everyone else you meet. Please, I knew of Namibia when I was ten years old, not because I wanted to but because I had to. Don't take me the wrong way, at least you've been there and seen some of the things that happen, which is good, but don't think that just because you spent a month there you know what it's like to live there and where everyone else has been. I'm not talking out of my ass here mate. I've been places and I've seen a lot of things. Hell I've lived in and have family in some of the places you wouldn't dream of going on a holiday to. I've known first hand what it's like to be at the lowest end of the spectrum as well as some of the higher heights. I've been very blessed in life in that regard and have seen and experienced many things. This is not to say that I saw more than anyone I meet. Far from it. I'm not that ignorant. I just try to share what I do know and I throw it out in everyone's direction for everyone's benefit.

You've seen homes made of discarded road signs, cardboard boxes and trash? I used to run through entire blocks like that as a kid. We had one just down the road from us. Hell, I used to play football with some of the kids from that block. We used to call it Cardboard City. My point was not to bag on the US. It's just that I've lived in both the "Western" and "Eastern" parts of the world as well as third world countries. Things just work differently. You have poor people in every place across the world, but its drastically different in a country like Zimbabwe and a country like Switzerland. As such, let's try to pull out the elements of you and me out of this conversation and focus on the actual topic.

As both of us say United States gets bagged because it is the cool thing to do, but it became that way for a reason. Think. In the past 100 years. How many wars can you think back of? How many of those wars was the US involved in?! How many of those wars were on US soil? See my point?

Like you said, there are people who would be in a worse position, but for every country/group that falls, another would benefit. As things stand now, both countries get screwed and the benefit goes to the US government. It screws up the balance of power in that region and no one actually gets anywhere. After a war happens the last things those countries need is a multi million/billion dollar debt. In those cases, it's best if the US never gets involved in the first place... and more and more people world wide don't want the US anywhere near them. I understand exactly why a lot of countries feel that way, but at the same time a crapload of people are just jumping on the bandwaggon at this stage.

Hopefully the election of Obama means more internal emphasis and bettering the country as opposed to pumping more funding into the military and screwing up everybody else's worlds.

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VTTruck — GMT

Po, DB - run.... incoming artillery.....

Somebody send a messenger aronud when its safe to come back out.

Clearly Lucian and Troy need a best of 7 one-on-one series to sort this out.
I volunteer Po/DB/me to pick the maps.

let the games begin.

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Warmaker — GMT

@Troy - Lucian has a point about your comments with Nimibia. First, you make yourself sound like a bad person when you say, "It's in southern Africa, go find a map. In fact, you probably don't know where Africa is. It's on the globe." That's insulting and not going to get your point across. Second, as Lucian also pointed out, when you say you were there and you helped out, good for you. But you also sound like you're bragging about it. "Hey, look at what an amazing humanitarian I am." It makes me think of celebrities who support a cause.... for a week. It shouldn't be about what you did, it should be about how they benefited. Claiming to have experienced the worst of all of us is also not cool. There are some nasty parts of the world, and we may have been there.

I was in the U.S. Marines for 6 years. I've been to those places. I've seen the armpits of the world and 'living there' for a month does not give you an accurate depiction of what life is like. You knew you would eventually go back home. You weren't in a hopeless and helpless situation. It's good to support causes around the world, but don't associate yourself with them. When universities in the U.S. have kids spend a night outdoors during the winter to bring awareness to homelessness, I shake my head. At home, we called it camping. It doesn't give them a true view of what it's like to be homeless. The same goes with you and Africa.

@Lucian - Solid words, man. I may correct people when they're wrong, but I sure as hell don't tell them their own business. I would never accuse a guy I didn't know of not being able to identify Laos on a map. It's not about the individual experiences, but the world as a whole. I'm a fan of world cultures and I like learning about people on this little planet. Good effort on you for trying to keep the "you" and "me" away from the discussion and refocus the conversation on the big picture. People should travel and experience everything there is to offer before forming their opinions. It's a shame that's not how most folks feel.

@Everyone else - Tighten your chinstraps*, ladies. Jump in with your 2 cents!

*Cultural Note : The chinstrap is a small device used for securing a helmet onto a player's head. It is a reference often found in American Football, or as my buddy from Peru calls it, "North American Armoured Wankball." The more you know!

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Darkbee — GMT

I thought about making a comment but I'm almost afraid... keep your hands off that red button!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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troymadsen — GMT

[quote=Lucian]For those of you in the US, look outside of your own world for a moment and realize that there are countries where it's downright impossible to find a job that pays more than a few hundred dollars a month if that. Realize that this isn't just something you look at for five minutes and forget about as it happens 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year for the rest of their lives! That's a bloody long time. You don't have to "help" but learning about what's out there will do you a lot of good.[/quote]

I guess this statement was what made me respond the way I did. I understand what you said about generalizations, but obviously I feel strongly about this subject. I am sorry for the way I responded, I realize it was a bit harsh and I don't know your personal situation or where you come from. You're right that I don't know exactly what it is like for the poor people that I spent time with in Namibia, and I don't claim to, but I went over there right after high school and spent that month there with them and that was all I was able to do at that time. The reason I posted this information wasn't to say, "look at me and how wonderful I am" but I just wanted to say that people in the US are capable and do care about people in other countries around the world, myself included. I really don't want this to get into a discussion about "you" and "me" either. I think people all over the world, not just the US, would do well to look outside their tiny little self-circles and get a better grasp on things. Unfortunately, in my opinion, most people really don't care enough about people that they don't know and probably won't ever meet to really do anything about it. Those that do are often times the minority.

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Lucian — GMT

That's exactly what I meant. I know dumb and smart people across the globe and as much as some people like to believe otherwise, each country has a bit of both. Oddly enough a lot of that can never be passed on through word of mouth. I met a Canadian guy in Bulgaria on a train once and he and I said the exact same thing. You gotta see this shit to believe and understand it. Some of the things I saw there taught me to never underestimate the experiences of life... and I guess what I want to do from here and what I plan to do from here is to travel as much as possible. Including all the US states at some point. <_< >_>

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Darkbee — GMT

You could take an entire lifetime to visit all over the US and still not see everything. It is a vast country!

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Lucian — GMT

It's like that with everything though. People tend to say they visited a "country" but all they've really seen is a town/city within a country... and even then. All they've really seen are a few districts within a town/city. Unfortunately there is just no way you could see everything, so I'm settling for some pre-picked locations in each State. Only problem now is figuring out what I'm going to do at those places.

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troymadsen — GMT

@Lucian: If you are looking for some advice on what to see in the states, I am sure that those of us who live here could give you some tips. I have traveled around the US quite a bit myself. Of course the internet can give you a good starting place but nothing like talking with the "locals"

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Po — GMT

[quote=Streen][quote=Ecko]Since when did Americans think they can control everything? Enlighten me.[/quote]
pretty much exactly since after the second world war, after which the whole world was in shattered peaces and the US were the only ones that actually earned money on it, and as such the US had nobody that could oppose them in any way, both military and economically. Your president at the time declared that The US is not the strongest nation on the planet and that this status must be uphold at all cost.
Most Americans still don't wanna face that fact that this status isn't true anymore since decades....[/quote]

This is a fucking stupid generalization, and it disappoints me. I'm so tired of people saying that "Americans" are this or "Americans" are that. Believe it or not, these days, we're not represented by our elected officials like we used to be. In fact, in many cases, we end up voting for the person that we dislike the least because we're not super fond of either of them. But lumping us into some huge "Americans" category just shows ignorance, not intelligence.

I have nothing to do with the everyday decisions that my government makes, believe it or not. It's not like officials like Bush say "I'm going to invade Iraq, so vote for me." We vote for who we hope will do the best job, and then it's basically out of our hands. Unless the president does something like rape a child, it's not like we have much power over him.

And it's not even "Most Americans," as you said. I think it's hilarious that the world judges us for things like invading Iraq when a MAJORITY of people who live here disagree with it and want our troops home. We are also well aware of the fact that we're not even close to being the only superpower in the world anymore...We might not even be number one.
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Let me enlighten you, I have spoken to many people coming from nations all around Europe and the world, so believe me when I tell you that people dont start to hate you, but they really DO hate you. Nobody loves America these days and everybody is scared about what some lunatics in charge over there might do, there is no respect whatsoever. And all this is really funny cause after 911 you had the compassion of the whole world, everyone was on your side, and in just a few years you guys managed to piss EVERYONE off. Here in Europe, we were just hoping to live and see the day of the next re-election and hope that it would come before the next world war...

Now that you got a new president, most people might give it another try though. This was the best thing that could have happened to your nation. No matter how much Obama screws up, he will probably never be as bad as your current one.

anyway,I am just being honest, try to give you a european perspective[/quote][/quote]

If this is the European perspective, then Europeans are fucking stupid. I understand that it's human nature to focus on the negative and judge everyone and lump people together, but it'd be wonderful if people used some discretion and realized that America isn't some Zerg hive mind or something.

You talk and act like you understand us Americans so well. How? You're not American. Do you live here? Are you inundated by the culture every day? No. You live thousands of miles away and know what they feed you from the news and other television. In other words, you don't know shit. By lumping the majority of us together into this idiotic opinion you post, you reveal your own ignorance. I'd probably put a stop to that if I were you.

I'm sorry that this sounds harsh, and you're usually okay, Streen...I'm fucking tired of hearing absolutely retarded opinions spouted from morons overseas because it's easier to hate then use your brain. Get off the bandwagon and use some discretionary thinking.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

VTTruck — GMT

I cant even read all this volume. Thank god the election is over eh?

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Darkbee — GMT

So TroyMadsen got voted off the spam whore island by the tribal council then?

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

VTTruck — GMT

So far as I can tell, DB is the current spam whore

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Po — GMT

Only because I've been tired lately. ;p

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Lucian — GMT

@ troy: Already got a set amount of locations in mind, but could always use with a few more suggestions.

@ Po: Just glanced at your post. First up... why do you care?! You're Alaska.

Secondly. Don't group all Europeans with Ecko. His voice is his own, much like yours is your own. You are not America and he is not Europe.

Also, Korea is apparently the Zerg hive or so I hear. <_< >_>

Oh... and you're not sorry to be harsh. You love every living moment of it.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Po — GMT

[quote=Lucian]@ troy: Already got a set amount of locations in mind, but could always use with a few more suggestions.

@ Po: Just glanced at your post. First up... why do you care?! You're Alaska.

Secondly. Don't group all Europeans with Ecko. His voice is his own, much like yours is your own. You are not America and he is not Europe.

Also, Korea is apparently the Zerg hive or so I hear. <_< >_>

Oh... and you're not sorry to be harsh. You love every living moment of it. [/quote]

I actually wasn't the one grouping all Europeans togther...He was, with all the "you think we hate you, WE DO HATE YOU" bullshit. lol

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Lucian — GMT

Delusions of grandeur. Only the most elitist amongst us have the right to refer to ourselves as we. He clearly doesn't fall under such a category, let alone when that not only encompasses an entire nation, but an entire continent.

In other words... fuck im.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Darkbee — GMT

People from Australia are so rude. No decorum whatsoever.
(Gotta love those sweeping generalizations)

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

VTTruck — GMT

[quote]Delusions of grandeur. Only the most elitist amongst us have the right to refer to ourselves as we. He clearly doesn't fall under such a category, let alone when that not only encompasses an entire nation, but an entire continent.

[/quote]

Uh, Lucian - aren't you the one with the elitistbastards website? strange there's a player on
the site with a name like that too.... wonder who's secret account it could be?

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Lucian — GMT

Yeah, but we are a self admitted elitist prick. Everybody bloody knows that... and we always refer to ourselves as we!

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Po — GMT

We are not amused.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

troymadsen — GMT

[quote=Po][quote=Po][quote=Streen][quote=Ecko]Since when did Americans think they can control everything? Enlighten me.[/quote]
pretty much exactly since after the second world war, after which the whole world was in shattered peaces and the US were the only ones that actually earned money on it, and as such the US had nobody that could oppose them in any way, both military and economically. Your president at the time declared that The US is not the strongest nation on the planet and that this status must be uphold at all cost.
Most Americans still don't wanna face that fact that this status isn't true anymore since decades....[/quote]

This is a fucking stupid generalization, and it disappoints me. I'm so tired of people saying that "Americans" are this or "Americans" are that. Believe it or not, these days, we're not represented by our elected officials like we used to be. In fact, in many cases, we end up voting for the person that we dislike the least because we're not super fond of either of them. But lumping us into some huge "Americans" category just shows ignorance, not intelligence.

I have nothing to do with the everyday decisions that my government makes, believe it or not. It's not like officials like Bush say "I'm going to invade Iraq, so vote for me." We vote for who we hope will do the best job, and then it's basically out of our hands. Unless the president does something like rape a child, it's not like we have much power over him.

And it's not even "Most Americans," as you said. I think it's hilarious that the world judges us for things like invading Iraq when a MAJORITY of people who live here disagree with it and want our troops home. We are also well aware of the fact that we're not even close to being the only superpower in the world anymore...We might not even be number one.
[quote]
Let me enlighten you, I have spoken to many people coming from nations all around Europe and the world, so believe me when I tell you that people dont start to hate you, but they really DO hate you. Nobody loves America these days and everybody is scared about what some lunatics in charge over there might do, there is no respect whatsoever. And all this is really funny cause after 911 you had the compassion of the whole world, everyone was on your side, and in just a few years you guys managed to piss EVERYONE off. Here in Europe, we were just hoping to live and see the day of the next re-election and hope that it would come before the next world war...

Now that you got a new president, most people might give it another try though. This was the best thing that could have happened to your nation. No matter how much Obama screws up, he will probably never be as bad as your current one.

anyway,I am just being honest, try to give you a european perspective[/quote][/quote]

If this is the European perspective, then Europeans are fucking stupid. I understand that it's human nature to focus on the negative and judge everyone and lump people together, but it'd be wonderful if people used some discretion and realized that America isn't some Zerg hive mind or something.

You talk and act like you understand us Americans so well. How? You're not American. Do you live here? Are you inundated by the culture every day? No. You live thousands of miles away and know what they feed you from the news and other television. In other words, you don't know shit. By lumping the majority of us together into this idiotic opinion you post, you reveal your own ignorance. I'd probably put a stop to that if I were you.

I'm sorry that this sounds harsh, and you're usually okay, Streen...I'm fucking tired of hearing absolutely retarded opinions spouted from morons overseas because it's easier to hate then use your brain. Get off the bandwagon and use some discretionary thinking.
[/quote][/quote]

I know this was posted a few days ago, but I haven't been on in a while and I just have to say that I totally agree with what Po said. I too am tired of the massive generalization that people put on "Americans". It is nearly impossible to generalize a country that has so large of a population and with such a diverse background of people. And +1 also to the fact that we "normal" people don't really get to have a say in much of anything that our government does on a day to day basis. Well said Po.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Po — GMT

I know it sounds like a shitty excuse or something, but we somehow got to a point where we're forced to choose a candidate that's shoved down our throats. In many cases, we choose the lesser evil. I'm not a huge Bush fan, for example, but I think Al Gore is...Well...I think he'd be one of the worst presidents of all time. Back in '04, it was like choosing to cut off your right hand or one of your feet or something. Sigh.

The president is supposed to be derived "of the people." He's one of us, and understands us, and makes decisions based on that...In theory. In truth, we got away from that a long time ago. Presidents are generally good old boys, or rich, or from walks of life that MAYBE 1 percent of our country gets to experience. Even Obama, supposed champion of change, has had a fuckton of advantages that the average person will never see. If you look at old presidents, like Washington or something, they were farmers and military men. In fact, most of our early presidents were inventors or diplomats or people that worked the earth. These days, our presidents probably haven't done a days hard labor in their lives.

But what do we do about it? A blood coup? People versus the military in the streets? I'm not happy about the situation, but it's not so atrocious that the country should bleed for it. Yet.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

VTTruck — GMT

[quote]I know it sounds like a shitty excuse or something, but we somehow got to a point where we're forced to choose a candidate that's shoved down our throats. In many cases, we choose the lesser evil. I'm not a huge Bush fan, for example, but I think Al Gore is...Well...I think he'd be one of the worst presidents of all time. Back in '04, it was like choosing to cut off your right hand or one of your feet or something. Sigh.
[/quote]

because those that are qualified and smart enough for the job aren't dumb enough to want to run.

we'll be choosing the lesser of two evils for a while to come. I'd settle for seeing a candidate talk
about how good he is INSTEAD of primarily about how bad the other guy is.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Darkbee — GMT

I'd settle for a "yaw Momma's so fat..." slanging match, at least that would be more interesting.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

VTTruck — GMT

I've said to my wife a number of times that I'd almost be willing to vote
for ANY (serious) candidate that didn't use a single negative ad or stump line. One
who talked about themselves and their policies instead of the other party/person.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Lucian — GMT

VT. You're living proof of an American who can truly think for himself. Hence defending Po and troy's points.

Unfortunately the entire world is plagued with a lack of 'leaders' and instead run by manipulative 'rulers'.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Darkbee — GMT

But I wonder, did this start in politics? It seems like to me, and I'm nowhere near an authority on the subject, but advertising in general seems to always be pushing the boundaries. It used to be the case that companies would never refer to other brands by name, using phrases like "the leading brand". Now, it seems that it's perfectly acceptable not only to outright name the "leading brand" but insult them. Classic case in point, the Apple Mac ads; "Hello, I'm a Mac. And I'm a PC", where "PC" is clearly meant to represent Bill Gates and is made to look like a complete idiot in comparison to "Mac". Microsoft have hit back with some lame "I'm a PC" adverts but they are not nearly as funny. Interestingly, Microsoft choose NOT to name or attempt to shame Apple Mac, but it's only a matter of time before we have Celebrity DeathMatch for real.

Sorry, this post is a bit incoherent but it's early in the morning.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

troymadsen — GMT

Yeah, the world in general is getting to be a more aggressive place. And as far as "leaders" and "rulers" go, the ones in power are not going to give it up once they have it and when forced to they are only wanting to give it up to those who are most like themselves. As an American I am grateful for the good things that are set up in this country that most people would file under some sort of government or public office; i.e. police and rescue departments, judicial laws, all of the freedoms that we posses, etc. But unfortunately along with that it seems that this "government machine" has been created and now that it is in place and has control there really is no way of stopping it and like Lucian said, "It's not time for a bloody coup, yet." At least I am not volunteering to take up arms. (unless they want to battle it out in WeeWar, in which case I would consider it)

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Lucian — GMT

@ Bee: Screw apple and hippy apple fanboys.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Po — GMT

Psh...I'm American too, Luc.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

VTTruck — GMT

uh - lucian - windows is a pillaging of mac os. no hippy apple and no more windows improvements.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Darkbee — GMT

[quote=VTTruck]uh - lucian - windows is a pillaging of mac os. no hippy apple and no more windows improvements.[/quote]

They pillaged the WIMP environment? So did Linux then. X-Windows wouldn't have existed either. And I think that OS X has done it's fair share of pillaging too. Isn't the whole operating system based on BSD?

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Lucian — GMT

I have no issues with any single OS. It's like those console game fanboy freaks. They all work just and do what they're needed for just fine. It's obviously just a question of personal preference and what you'll be using it for (Windows for Porn FTW!). I just have an aversion to your average Mac user (including my idiot brother). Apple and Macs are all good, but their fan base is brimming with hypocrites and idiots.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Po — GMT

Yeah I could never understand that people that flipped out about one console or OS or another. I go where the games are. I use what's handy. It's stupid to get in a fanboy frenzy and freak out.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Darkbee — GMT

Atari ST's are the best! 16-Bit computing forever... woohoo!

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Po — GMT

COMMA DO SIXTY FO NIGGA

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

VTTruck — GMT

I never knew ebonics had made it to Alaska.

Hey Po - how about sending us some of those Alaska quarters

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Po — GMT

I'm so tired of "Alaskan" art. Whenever a place gets a grant for art it's fucking Native art, or salmon, or moose. Now, those three things are fine, but Alaskans don't seem to realize that they can TOTALLY have other kinds of shit on the front of their buildings, too.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

VTTruck — GMT

who said anything about alaskan art? take this random diaglog to the spam thread already.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Po — GMT

[quote=VTTruck]who said anything about alaskan art? take this random diaglog to the spam thread already.

[/quote]

Alaska quarters, with Alaskan art on them.

Please try to keep up.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

VTTruck — GMT

Alaskan quarters --- printed by the US mint. with art designed by.... the US mint.
Minted by.... the US mint.

way to try and claim to BE the USA instead of part of it.

now, about those quarters, you gonna send some our way or what?

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Lucian — GMT

Alaska, Alaska, Alaska...

Bet it ain't summer in Alaska. Is it!?

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Po — GMT

[quote=VTTruck]Alaskan quarters --- printed by the US mint. with art designed by.... the US mint.
Minted by.... the US mint.

way to try and claim to BE the USA instead of part of it.

now, about those quarters, you gonna send some our way or what?[/quote]

Actually, it's art designed by an Alaskan, captain "didn't research before he spoke."

I don't know how it went in other states, but here there was a contest and people sent in art, and they chose one for the quarter. I don't remember what it is exactly, but I'm sure it's a polar bear clutching a salmon in one paw and an eagle in it's mouth while holding a bottle of shitty whiskey in the other paw.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

VTTruck — GMT

oh, so the alaskan designer was not an american? wasn't a US citizen?

you guys secede over the weekend or something?

anyway i've seen "deadliest catch" you dont have artists up there.
Just snow and fishermen.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Darkbee — GMT

I think they should do a commemorative coin and put a portrait of Sarah Palin on the Alaskan quarter

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Lucian — GMT

They have snow artists. Necessary equipment... lots of beer.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Po — GMT

The lots of beer = lots of urine, and that's how we cut out the shapes.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Lucian — GMT

I was pretty sure no one needed it spelled out for them but I forgot I was talking to you guys.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Po — GMT

Well duh. You think that you'd be hardened by now...Inundated to the horror.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

CrazyMuffin — GMT

Um, Troy, some people hate the US because it frequently does really nasty things to keep itself on top. It's all democracy and justice and whatever inside, but a brutal game of king of the hill outside.

Coca Cola, for example, periodically hires paramilitary thugs to kill employees during working hours when they step out of line and demand silly things like wages and rights. Did you know that? Probably not. It's cause we live in a country of covert but strict censorship on some themes. Like that war in Iraq...yeah, it is still happening. I know, I forgot too. It's because the US gov has forbidden journalists to report on war-like aspects of the war. And no pictures are permitted of essentially everything that would remind us that a war exists...like combat, dead anyone, wounded anyone, blown up or damaged anything, pictures of funerals, etc. If it looks like war, It won't get published in the land of the free...well maybe not so free.

Sorry....no humor in this post. My humor left me a little while ago. Darkbee slapped me back to my senses recently, but I could use another slap on the cheek bee (wink, wink). Ahem.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

CrazyMuffin — GMT

Oh crap. I just realized there are 4 PAGES of thread here...I responded to the end of the first page. You guys write too much. Oh well...that last post took too much brainpower for 3:00 AM and I don't have the heart to just delete it. Maybe it will at least piss someone off....I visited Lucian's website and concluded that he is an elitist bastard and deserves to be outdone. You suck Lucian. And I'm going to imitate your every insult until I can out bastard you. You wish in your wildest wet dreams that ... oh crap I forgot to take my meds.

I'll be back.

Re:Don't forget to vote America!

Lucian — GMT

Yeah... speaking of that site I really need to get back to it. It's one of many but this one's been in limbo for a while now. I have to finish up the logo and flip the design at some point. Thanks for the reminder. That though is exactly why you'll never be as much of an Elitist Bastard as I. Even when you're an asshole, you're helpful. Cheers mate.