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Howdy Weewarriors!

It's that time of the year again. Tourney time. We (Shulgin, Daithi and I) are thinking that standard 1-32, or whatever, seeding kinda sucks. So, how about pools with round robins? pools of 4 would guarantee each tourney participant at least 3 games.

Let's aim for 4 (randomly selected? seeded?) pools of 4 (16 players) with the round robin winner of each pool advancing to the semi finals. if we get tons of interest maybe we set up 8 pools of 4 = 32 players with the winner of each round robin pool advancing to the quarter finals.

post here if you are interested in playing - first come, first serve. [b]but please only post if you are committed to playing all your tourney games in a timely fashion[/b].

also, there are some basic rules we should all agree on in advance:

[b]1) rated or non-rated games?[/b] i vote rated, because then people take their games more seriously, and there is less chance of abandonment. it also makes for a more competitive spirit, which i dig, but some don't.

[b]2) which map(s) to use?[/b] there is usually some form of standardization using balanced maps. it would make sense in a round robin that all the games in the first round (the round robin games) were on the same map. the elimination rounds (quarters, semis and finals) could be on different maps. input from all participants will be welcome, but i guess the organizing committee will ultimately decide on the maps. ok?
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3) turn length/how long before you get booted/eliminated?[/b] this can be a problem in tournies, especially if one pool is done quickly and another is taking forever to finish its games. perhaps someone can re-read Rocky Dog and others old tourney threads to find the best practices on dealing with this?

[b]4) How to break ties?[/b]

Your input is welcome!

Also, let us know if you're interested in being on a panel of three judges to moderate disputes and interpret the rules. Judges cannot participate in the tourney.

If you sign up here, but don't like the way the organizing committee (Shugin, Daithi, McMonster, maybe Casaubon) decides to structure things after the community hashes things out here, no problemo. this also means that we'll keep a waiting list, so don't be disheartened if there are already 16 or 32 players signed up when you find this ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24012.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24012.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24013.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24013.page GMT
Map balance issues could be mitigated a little bit by requiring each person to play 2 as one color, one as the other in the round robin. Maybe even mandate before the tourney who is "home or away" for each game.

If you wanted to get complicated, you could allow two or more map choices, allow one side to pick a color, then the other guy picks the map. Or flip coins. Or design a coin flip map: two troopers on a grassy plain. Blue attacks red. If red has 6 or more points left, red win the flip, if 5 or fewer, red loses...

Just thinking out loud.....]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24014.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24014.page GMT
Would like to see the tournament games rated. I would agree it gives incentive to not quit and also weeds out those just wanting to stay highly rated and not competitive.

Think it should be weighted heavily on competitively even maps with a slightly unbalanced one thrown in. Would only go with the uneven if it was a format where opponents play each side. Also if it is a 2 game per map format you could have both maps playing concurrently.

Time is always a tough one. Maybe a 1 day with 2 timeouts of up to 2 days per game or a 3 day with quick boot. Would you have a round limit to a game or if say plus 3-4 point bases controlled after so many rounds auto win? I would defer to the more seasoned vets on this one. As for those that finish quickly, maybe a tournament challenge map and those looking to play start a thread to play others from the tournament.

Ties should be allowed and have a score system something like 2 pts win, 1 pt tie and 0 for loss. If 2 teams tie after round robin play then a sudden death small tournament map highest seed picks color.

Hope my ideas aren't to out there look forward to playing.

James]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24015.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24015.page GMT I'd like the games to be rated.

In the first round all the games could be played at the same time, that is you could start all the games against the players in your pool (or group or whatever) before any of them are finished. If so, it would probably be good to have some extra time for the first round compared with the elimination rounds, as you might have 3-4 tourney games going on at once.

EDIT:
Just an idea: if ever the need arises for the judges to decide a result (or something) by drawing lots, this could be done publicly Weewar-style: set up a map with a few pairs of DFA:s facing each other. Blue fires on red, and the one who's DFA survives, wins. Repeat if it is a draw.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24016.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24016.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24017.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24017.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24018.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24018.page GMT
Several things I mentioned were mentioned by preceding replies, but I'm too lazy to edit. Thumbs up for similar comments.

-I'll play as Mapmaker.
-I'd prefer if others also play their highest ranked profile.
-I prefer rated.
-This week I could play the 5 minute games, but before the tournament is over I'd probably have to require a 3 day turn to not piss off the real world (read as woman in my life). But that is part of why old tourneys sometimes dragged on.
-I agree that each round uses different maps.
-Player games should include a game as both blue and red.
-New maps made prior to the round starting allows all players time to practice on the maps prior to the tournament by about the same amount. New maps helps improve the community by giving us more fun maps to play.
-New maps should be smallish, but not small enough that luck is a game deciding factor. Stirlings aruba plays well because it allows an unlucky player to run away (also players who make 1-2 mistakes) and the unluck or mistakes don't cost the game. This works because of the distance from the nearest bases and the income level and the power level each side would have before one player would decide to run away. The map takes a lot into account to allow a player to survive an early setback and still have a chance to win. Anyone who over extends on such a map may end up impaling themselves and losing quickly.
-We should consider the possibility of using specific sets of units, such as just the light units plus the heavy infantry.

A tournament to allow any number of players to begin:
I actually like it well enough that I filled out the tournament style and turned it into the first annual spring Weewar season. If there is enough interest we do the season, if not I may organize the first annual Spring Weewar season anyway.

Players A B C D E F G H I J K L M N P Q R S T U V W X Y
ABCD are higher skilled players
6 groups of 4
Placement into Divisions:
A to divisions 1
B to division 2
C to division 3
D to division 4
E to division 5
F to division 6 - in the spirit of team picking in as hoc volleyball... reverse placement order
G to division 6
H to division 5
I to division 4
J to division 3
K to division 2
L to division 1 - reverse placement order again
M to division 1
N to division 2
P to division 3
Q to division 4
R to division 5
S to division 6
T to division 6
U to division 5
V to division 4
W to division 3
X to division 2
Y to division 1

division 1 - A L M Y
division 2 - B K N X
division 3 - C J P V
division 4 - D I Q V
division 5 - E H R U
division 6 - F G S T
Just as in NCAA hoops tournaments A B C and D should have great records and get placed well in the next level. And E F G H are in a dog fight for the other 2 groups, but at least players 7 and 8 didn't get automatically placed with A and B. Give people as many chances to do well as possible (improves turn out).

To prevent players from throwing a game to affect who moves on to the next level, everyone moves on. The first round is like the season leading up to the NCAA tournament. Not everyone plays everyone else, but everyone will have played 18 games (in our case).

For 8 players in the season use 2 maps.
For each additional 16 players use an additional map to spread out the records if the players choose to do so. See the tie breaker for placement order below if too many players have the same records.

Everyone plays each other player in the disivion twice on each of two (or three) different maps, same maps for all groups at the seeding round. After all division games have been played there will be a bunch of players with 18-0 and 17-1 records due to A B C D not in the same groups. There will be a large grouping between 10-8 and 7-11.

The groups are then scrambled using the placement order but this time based on record from 18-0 down to 0-18. Anyone can drop out at this stage of the tournament. Note that because no one is eliminated and the high level players are fairly evenly divided, anyone can play relatively well to be seeded well in the next round. And therefore your current ranking in weewar is not important.

Anyone with a tied record joins an unrated game and they each take turns firing at infantry. The most damage gets the first choice for where they want to be placed which can be a huge thing if someone wants to not be in GDs bracket but it might be out of the frying pan and into the fire eh. The reason is to avoid getting 'stuck' with a poor placement. Next time just shoot your DFA better.

Second round
Placed based on the division level record into the NCAA round robin tournament round.
Everyone plays everyone else 2 games a piece on 2 different maps. 2 maps to allow players some flexibility due to player skill with particular styles of maps and might prevent some ill feelings because of not being all that good on a style of map.

Why so many games? It is more granular and flexible and those who think they should deserve to move on will and others will know why they didn't move on. They just didn't do well enough. No need for 3 maps this time around.

Third round - The weewar Spring season
The top 8 or 16 move on to a winners/losers style tournament. The winner from the winners bracket plays the winner from the losers bracket. The top 8 or 16 are ranked by overall record, then division record, then head to head record. If #17 wants to challenge #16 for the 16th spot, ok. If #17 declines then #18 may challenge #16 for the 16th spot. They shoot infantry with DFA. If player #16 wins the DFA shootout, then player 16 can choose the map or can choose to be red or blue. The loser of the DFA shootout choose the other. Limited to first and second round maps.

Map selection:
To avoid problems over old maps including the problem of numbers of times some players have played some maps, and to improve the community, we make new maps and balance them. As soon as the maps are available players can begin practicing as much as they want with the new maps. Highly recommended!

The maps for later rounds can be made after the earlier rounds are half done or nearly finished.
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Thanks to McMonster, Shulgin, and Daithi for organizing -- I want to play no matter what rules/maps are decided upon by our fearless leaders!
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[quote=stirling]
-New maps made prior to the round starting allows all players time to practice on the maps prior to the tournament by about the same amount. New maps helps improve the community by giving us more fun maps to play.
-New maps should be smallish, but not small enough that luck is a game deciding factor.

Map selection:
To avoid problems over old maps including the problem of numbers of times some players have played some maps, and to improve the community, we make new maps and balance them. As soon as the maps are available players can begin practicing as much as they want with the new maps. Highly recommended!

The maps for later rounds can be made after the earlier rounds are half done or nearly finished.
[/quote]

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1) Rated is probably a good idea. I don't see what speaks against it.

2) Maps: I leave that to specialists. I do think though that well known (old) maps (that are balanced) might be a better idea than new ones. Just to create and fix all those new maps could take months.

3) Turn length: I like the idea of 3-day maps with possibility to be booted as soon as over. Although that can become slow if both players always use almost 3 days. So 1-day games with permission to go over at most 2 days (for that weekend in between) is maybe a better idea. Anything faster is against the weewar's PBT spirit, I feel.

4) If ties are allowed then one should rather get 3 points for a win, 1 for a tie, and 0 for a loss. Ties should not be encouraged. I think I'd prefer the DFA-showdown better though. The randomness of that one will discourage safety-play ties even more.

I like the round-robin style beginning with eliminatory finals after. Stirling's idea of full season playing should probably be it's own "tournament" and will probably take more than a year (or a season) to complete. Just look at the 2010 tournament which didn't even have round-robins and barely managed to finish within a year. Just saying. I'd encourage Stirling to start the season as a parallel event and would love to play in it too. Of course, it's the tournament makers choice if they are in it for the long haul and more interested in a "season" rather than a "tournament" (as I'd call it).

Either way: Cool! Thanks for starting the initiative.

TD]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24027.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24027.page GMT
Seeding sucks, I'd rather play randomly rated players throughout the tourney. ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24028.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24028.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24031.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24031.page GMT
i'll defer to the desires of others, but i imagine something smallish (between the size of aruba and jovana's), but dynamic, with air and naval units involved to some degree, but probably a land-focused map for the round robin (maybe a water map in the quarters or semis? perhaps the last two should choose where they will play their final match?).

doesn't have to include all terrain types, but perhaps go with one or two as a theme?

up to you really. you are the master map maker. it will be nice to have another balanced small map to play after the tournament as well. ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24032.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24032.page GMT
Months? Oh no. More like 1-2 hours per map for creation and balancing. I just need the kernels/seeds for the map. 1:47 pm

City Park I
published 2:17 pm - sorry for the delay, had to take a turn.
http://www.weewar.com/map/57733 republished 3:19 pm
No comments on balance/playability yet

Rapid Fire
published 2:30 pm - No turns taken, but did have a map edit error and had to remove some units.
http://www.weewar.com/map/57739 republished due to a missing red unit
No comments on balance/playability yet

Alto Strait
published 2:54 pm - It took longer to downsize the map and since the original wasn't symmetric and the map editor doesn't account for my large screen, editing was slower than normal.
http://www.weewar.com/map/57740 republished
No comments on balance/playability yet]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24033.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24033.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24034.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24034.page GMT
Seeding sucks, I'd rather play randomly rated players throughout the tourney. [/quote]

im in and i second what GD said. ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24035.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24035.page GMT ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24036.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24036.page GMT ...
[/quote]

I bow to the master!]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24037.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24037.page GMT
Player on the court...

Fire in the hold...

Hoping to beat someone ranked higher than me 1v1 for once in my weewar life.

Hehe.

EG.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24038.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24038.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24039.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24039.page GMT ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24040.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24040.page GMT
Count me in. I'll miss you, rating *sniff* ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24041.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24041.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24042.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24042.page GMT
i'm okay with rated games.

and i liked that last year's tourney used lesser played maps. for map selection, i like the idea of one player picking a map from two options set forth by the committee and the other the color.

maybe 1 day limits with 1 48 hour time out per 10 rounds. player must log into the forums and post a time out request within their 1 day plus 36 hour window. all players must accept that decisions to forfeit games based on time are solely the jurisdiction of the committee. a player has no option in extending their opponent's time limit.

i'm okay with coin flipping tie breaks.
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Thulsa]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24045.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24045.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24046.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24046.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24047.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24047.page GMT
I won't be logged in much till Wednesday. We'll see what we have in terms of players and suggestions by then. Shulgy, Daithi, myself and other organizing types will get to work finalizing the rules, round robin pools, etc, after that.

If it's realistic for you to have a tested new map ready to go Stirling, we can probably start late next week, or sometime soon thereafter ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24048.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24048.page GMT
About the format, anything that is agred by the majority and is fair! ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24049.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24049.page GMT ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24050.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24050.page GMT

Rated would be great.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24051.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24051.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24052.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24052.page GMT ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24053.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24053.page GMT
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I would like to play as well if that would be okay for the tournament organisers ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24063.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24063.page GMT
whatever you play...

rated, but with more time, last torney we must make 1 game withing 2 weeks, so when you are on holiday, no chance.

roundsystem is very good

so count me

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I love the idea of the seeded NCAA tourney style of play....even though that means I likely play one of you big guns first round....maybe I'll be Gonzaga!]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24065.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24065.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24066.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24066.page GMT ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24067.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24067.page GMT
whatever you play... ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24068.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24068.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24069.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24069.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24070.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24070.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24071.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24071.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24072.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24072.page GMT When does the tournament begin ?]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24073.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24073.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24074.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24074.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24077.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24077.page GMT ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24078.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24078.page GMT [/quote]

YEAH! Welcome back War ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24079.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24079.page GMT 1 [url=http://weewar.com/user/McMonster]McMonster[/url]
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8 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Mapmaker]Mapmaker = Stirling[/url]
9 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Boris_spanky_long]Boris_spanky_long[/url]
10 [url=http://weewar.com/user/cowboy3]cowboy3[/url]
11 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Rockwall]Rockwall[/url]
12 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Copes]Copes[/url]
13 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Daithi]Daithi[/url]
14 [url=http://weewar.com/user/thuldai]thuldai[/url]
15 [url=http://weewar.com/user/General_Death]General_Death[/url]
16 [url=http://weewar.com/user/waksell]waksell[/url]
17 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Rosenstern_and_Guildencrantz]Rosenstern_and_Guildencrantz[/url]
18 [url=http://weewar.com/user/The_Colostimizer]The_Colostimizer[/url]
19 [url=http://weewar.com/user/entregreeneur]entregreeneur[/url]
20 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Sorensson]Sorensson[/url]
21 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Jokern]Jokern[/url]
22 [url=http://weewar.com/user/ResistanceIsFutile]ResistanceIsFutile[/url]
23 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Naked_Bootleg]Naked_Bootleg[/url]
24 [url=http://weewar.com/user/beetstreet]beetstreet[/url]
25 [url=http://weewar.com/user/BigTenChamps]BigTenChamps[/url]
26 [url=http://weewar.com/user/ThulsaDoom]ThulsaDoom[/url]
27 [url=http://weewar.com/user/dashing]dashing[/url]
28 [url=http://weewar.com/user/BruhMan]BruhMan[/url]
29 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Wolfman]Wolfman[/url]
30 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Balu]Balu[/url]
31 [url=http://weewar.com/user/King_Edward]King_Edward[/url]
32 [url=http://weewar.com/user/kersplat]kersplat[/url]
33 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Saint_William]Saint_William[/url]
34 [url=http://weewar.com/user/tezul]tezul[/url]
35 [url=http://weewar.com/user/ltc08]ltc08[/url]
38 [url=http://weewar.com/user/infocharlie]infocharlie[/url]
39 [url=http://weewar.com/user/DeathandDecay]DeathandDecay[/url]
40 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Shulgin]Shulgin[/url]
41 [url=http://weewar.com/user/kain7]kain7[/url]
42 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Stupendous_Man]Stupendous_Man[/url]
43 [url=http://weewar.com/user/annihilatepop]annihilatepop[/url]
44 [url=http://weewar.com/user/MasterDr]MasterDr[/url]
45 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Nrok]Nrok[/url]
46 [url=http://weewar.com/user/King_Edward]King_Edward[/url]
47 [url=http://weewar.com/user/elsirad]elsirad[/url]
48 [url=http://weewar.com/user/lolx]lolx[/url]
49 [url=http://weewar.com/user/skippy_the_squirrel]skippy_the_squirrel[/url]
50 [url=http://weewar.com/user/SBosas]SBosas[/url]
51 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Warmaker]Warmaker[/url]
52 free
53 free
54 free
55 free
56 free
57 free
58 free
59 free
60 free
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62 free
63 free
64 free]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24081.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24081.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24082.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24082.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24083.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24083.page GMT
Take no prisoners!!!]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24084.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24084.page GMT rated
]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24085.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24085.page GMT ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24086.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24086.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24088.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24088.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24089.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24089.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24090.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24090.page GMT How do I join?
]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24091.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24091.page GMT

Only 5 left, it's going to happen!]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24092.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24092.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24093.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24093.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24094.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24094.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24095.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24095.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24096.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24096.page GMT
1 [url=http://weewar.com/user/McMonster]McMonster[/url]
2 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Casaubon]Weeseltown = Casaubon[/url]
3 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Gyver]Gyver[/url]
4 [url=http://weewar.com/user/HotChili]HotChili[/url]
5 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Juffe]Juffe[/url]
6 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Brianiac]Brianiac[/url]
7 [url=http://weewar.com/user/johnmd20]johnmd20[/url]
8 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Mapmaker]Mapmaker = Stirling[/url]
9 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Boris_spanky_long]Boris_spanky_long[/url]
10 [url=http://weewar.com/user/cowboy3]cowboy3[/url]
11 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Rockwall]Rockwall[/url]
12 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Copes]Copes[/url]
13 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Daithi]Daithi[/url]
14 [url=http://weewar.com/user/thuldai]thuldai[/url]
15 [url=http://weewar.com/user/General_Death]General_Death[/url]
16 [url=http://weewar.com/user/waksell]waksell[/url]
17 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Rosenstern_and_Guildencrantz]Rosenstern_and_Guildencrantz[/url]
18 [url=http://weewar.com/user/The_Colostimizer]The_Colostimizer[/url]
19 [url=http://weewar.com/user/entregreeneur]entregreeneur[/url]
20 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Sorensson]Sorensson[/url]
21 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Jokern]Jokern[/url]
22 [url=http://weewar.com/user/ResistanceIsFutile]ResistanceIsFutile[/url]
23 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Naked_Bootleg]Naked_Bootleg[/url]
24 [url=http://weewar.com/user/beetstreet]beetstreet[/url]
25 [url=http://weewar.com/user/BigTenChamps]BigTenChamps[/url]
26 [url=http://weewar.com/user/ThulsaDoom]ThulsaDoom[/url]
27 [url=http://weewar.com/user/dashing]dashing[/url]
28 [url=http://weewar.com/user/BruhMan]BruhMan[/url]
29 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Wolfman]Wolfman[/url]
30 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Balu]Balu[/url]
31 [url=http://weewar.com/user/King_Edward]King_Edward[/url]
32 [url=http://weewar.com/user/kersplat]kersplat[/url]
33 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Saint_William]Saint_William[/url]
34 [url=http://weewar.com/user/tezul]tezul[/url]
35 [url=http://weewar.com/user/ltc08]ltc08[/url]
36 [url=http://weewar.com/user/infocharlie]infocharlie[/url]
37 [url=http://weewar.com/user/DeathandDecay]DeathandDecay[/url]
38 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Shulgin]Shulgin[/url]
39 [url=http://weewar.com/user/kain7]kain7[/url]
40 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Stupendous_Man]Stupendous_Man[/url]
41 [url=http://weewar.com/user/annihilatepop]annihilatepop[/url]
42 [url=http://weewar.com/user/MasterDr]MasterDr[/url]
43 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Nrok]Nrok[/url]
44 [url=http://weewar.com/user/King_Edward]King_Edward[/url]
45 [url=http://weewar.com/user/elsirad]elsirad[/url]
46 [url=http://weewar.com/user/lolx]lolx[/url]
47 [url=http://weewar.com/user/skippy_the_squirrel]skippy_the_squirrel[/url]
48 [url=http://weewar.com/user/SBosas]SBosas[/url]
49 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Warmaker]Warmaker[/url]
50 [url=http://weewar.com/user/WarTool]WarTool[/url]
51 [url=http://weewar.com/user/baileyd999]baileyd999[/url]
52 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Testeclese]Testeclese[/url]
53 [url=http://weewar.com/user/ced]ced[/url]
54 [url=http://weewar.com/user/mawif]mawif[/url]
55 [url=http://weewar.com/user/weeRalph]weeRalph[/url]
56 [url=http://weewar.com/user/TAZ]TAZ[/url]
57 [url=http://weewar.com/user/llib]llib[/url]
58 [url=http://weewar.com/user/ollikill]ollikill[/url]
59 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Ace_of_Diamonds]Ace_of_Diamonds[/url]
60 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Baino]Baino[/url]
61 free slot
62 free slot
63 free slot
64 free slot]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24097.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24097.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24098.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24098.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24099.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24099.page GMT ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24100.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24100.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24101.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24101.page GMT -imbues +1 underdog-

]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24102.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24102.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24103.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24103.page GMT
You can still signal interest to participate in the tournament by posting here in case one of the 64 registered players pulls out. ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24104.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24104.page GMT
... its my first tournament... dont really know the way?]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24105.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24105.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24106.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24106.page GMT 1 [url=http://weewar.com/user/McMonster]McMonster[/url]
2 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Casaubon]Weeseltown = Casaubon[/url]
3 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Gyver]Gyver[/url]
4 [url=http://weewar.com/user/HotChili]HotChili[/url]
5 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Juffe]Juffe[/url]
6 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Brianiac]Brianiac[/url]
7 [url=http://weewar.com/user/johnmd20]johnmd20[/url]
8 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Mapmaker]Mapmaker = Stirling[/url]
9 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Boris_spanky_long]Boris_spanky_long[/url]
10 [url=http://weewar.com/user/cowboy3]cowboy3[/url]
11 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Rockwall]Rockwall[/url]
12 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Copes]Copes[/url]
13 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Daithi]Daithi[/url]
14 [url=http://weewar.com/user/thuldai]thuldai[/url]
15 [url=http://weewar.com/user/General_Death]General_Death[/url]
16 [url=http://weewar.com/user/waksell]waksell[/url]
17 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Rosenstern_and_Guildencrantz]Rosenstern_and_Guildencrantz[/url]
18 [url=http://weewar.com/user/The_Colostimizer]The_Colostimizer[/url]
19 [url=http://weewar.com/user/entregreeneur]entregreeneur[/url]
20 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Sorensson]Sorensson[/url]
21 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Jokern]Jokern[/url]
22 [url=http://weewar.com/user/ResistanceIsFutile]ResistanceIsFutile[/url]
23 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Naked_Bootleg]Naked_Bootleg[/url]
24 [url=http://weewar.com/user/beetstreet]beetstreet[/url]
25 [url=http://weewar.com/user/BigTenChamps]BigTenChamps[/url]
26 [url=http://weewar.com/user/ThulsaDoom]ThulsaDoom[/url]
27 [url=http://weewar.com/user/dashing]dashing[/url]
28 [url=http://weewar.com/user/BruhMan]BruhMan[/url]
29 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Wolfman]Wolfman[/url]
30 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Balu]Balu[/url]
31 [url=http://weewar.com/user/King_Edward]King_Edward[/url]
32 [url=http://weewar.com/user/kersplat]kersplat[/url]
33 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Saint_William]Saint_William[/url]
34 [url=http://weewar.com/user/tezul]tezul[/url]
35 [url=http://weewar.com/user/ltc08]ltc08[/url]
36 [url=http://weewar.com/user/infocharlie]infocharlie[/url]
37 [url=http://weewar.com/user/DeathandDecay]DeathandDecay[/url]
38 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Shulgin]Shulgin[/url]
39 [url=http://weewar.com/user/kain7]kain7[/url]
40 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Stupendous_Man]Stupendous_Man[/url]
41 [url=http://weewar.com/user/annihilatepop]annihilatepop[/url]
42 [url=http://weewar.com/user/MasterDr]MasterDr[/url]
43 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Nrok]Nrok[/url]
44 [url=http://weewar.com/user/aakerst2]aakerst2][/url]
45 [url=http://weewar.com/user/elsirad]elsirad[/url]
46 [url=http://weewar.com/user/lolx]lolx[/url]
47 [url=http://weewar.com/user/skippy_the_squirrel]skippy_the_squirrel[/url]
48 [url=http://weewar.com/user/SBosas]SBosas[/url]
49 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Warmaker]Warmaker[/url]
50 [url=http://weewar.com/user/WarTool]WarTool[/url]
51 [url=http://weewar.com/user/baileyd999]baileyd999[/url]
52 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Testeclese]Testeclese[/url]
53 [url=http://weewar.com/user/ced]ced[/url]
54 [url=http://weewar.com/user/mawif]mawif[/url]
55 [url=http://weewar.com/user/weeRalph]weeRalph[/url]
56 [url=http://weewar.com/user/TAZ]TAZ[/url]
57 [url=http://weewar.com/user/llib]llib[/url]
58 [url=http://weewar.com/user/ollikill]ollikill[/url]
59 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Ace_of_Diamonds]Ace_of_Diamonds[/url]
60 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Baino]Baino[/url]
61 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Paddy_Wack]Paddy_Wack[/url]
62 [url=http://weewar.com/user/littlebrother]littlebrother[/url]
63 [url=http://weewar.com/user/Takishano]Takishano[/url]
64 free slot

[size=9]king_edvard was placed twice, aakerst2 took the second position on 44 instead.[/size]

waiting list / replacements:
some free slots due to the fact that we will need replacements for drop outs / no shows]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24107.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24107.page GMT
Is it too early to claim that the judges have ruined the tournament and that everyone is a bunch of jerks? do I need to wait on round 3 for that?]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24109.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24109.page GMT ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24110.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24110.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24111.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24111.page GMT

1 McMonster 2118
2 Casaubon 1835
3 Gyver 1946
4 HotChili 1690
5 Juffe 2139
6 Brianiac 1842
7 johnmd20 1860
8 MapMaker 2187
9 Boris_spanky_long 1708
10 cowboy3 1922
11 Rockwall 2073
12 Copes 2092
13 Daithi 1620
14 thuldai 1591
15 General_Death 2124
16 waksell 1665
17 Rosenstern_and_Guildencrantz 2150
18 The_Colostimizer 1577
19 entregreeneur 1833
20 Sorensson 1501
21 Jokern 1451
22 ResistanceIsFutile 1874
23 Naked_Bootleg 1669
24 beetstreet 1904
25 BigTenChamps 1616
26 ThulsaDoom 1710
27 dashing 1506
28 BruhMan 1544
29 Wolfman 1610
30 Balu 1567
31 King_Edward 1555
32 kersplat 1485
33 Saint_William 1445
34 tezul 1829
35 ltc08 1385
36 infocharlie 1718
37 DeathandDecay 1562
38 Shulgin 2018
39 kain7 2080
40 Stupendous_Man 1575
41 annihilatepop 2026
42 MasterDr 1584
43 Nrok 1564
44 aakerst2 1558
45 elsirad 2099
46 lolx 1369
47 skippy_the_squirrel 1542
48 SBosas 1491
49 Warmaker 1547
50 WarTool 1675
51 baileyd999 1633
52 Testeclese 1828
53 ced 1852
54 mawif 1506
55 weeRalph 1591
56 TAZ 1657
57 llib 1640
58 ollikill 1379
59 Ace_of_Diamonds 1674
60 Baino 1430
61 Paddy_Wack 1637
62 littlebrother 1490
63 Takishano 1753
64 Tygerdave 1943

If anybody wants to contest anything, let me know.
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Highest ranked 16 players:


8 MapMaker 2187 1
17 Rosenstern_and_Guildencrantz 2150 2
5 Juffe 2139 3
15 General_Death 2124 4
1 McMonster 2118 5
45 elsirad 2099 6
12 Copes 2092 7
39 kain7 2080 8
11 Rockwall 2073 9
41 annihilatepop 2026 10
38 Shulgin 2018 11
3 Gyver 1946 12
64 Tygerdave 1943 13
10 cowboy3 1922 14
24 beetstreet 1904 15
22 ResistanceIsFutile 1874 16

2nd 16:


7 johnmd20 1860 17
53 ced 1852 18
6 Brianiac 1842 19
2 Casaubon 1835 20
19 entregreeneur 1833 21
34 tezul 1829 22
52 Testeclese 1828 23
63 Takishano 1753 24
36 infocharlie 1718 25
26 ThulsaDoom 1710 26
9 Boris_spanky_long 1708 27
4 HotChili 1690 28
50 WarTool 1675 29
59 Ace_of_Diamonds 1674 30
23 Naked_Bootleg 1669 31
16 waksell 1665 32

3rd 16:


56 TAZ 1657 33
57 llib 1640 34
61 Paddy_Wack 1637 35
51 baileyd999 1633 36
13 Daithi 1620 37
25 BigTenChamps 1616 38
29 Wolfman 1610 39
55 weeRalph 1591 40
14 thuldai 1591 41
42 MasterDr 1584 42
18 The_Colostimizer 1577 43
40 Stupendous_Man 1575 44
30 Balu 1567 45
43 Nrok 1564 46
37 DeathandDecay 1562 47
44 aakerst2 1558 48

4th 16:


31 King_Edward 1555 49
49 Warmaker 1547 50
28 BruhMan 1544 51
47 skippy_the_squirrel 1542 52
54 mawif 1506 53
27 dashing 1506 54
20 Sorensson 1501 55
48 SBosas 1491 56
62 littlebrother 1490 57
32 kersplat 1485 58
21 Jokern 1451 59
33 Saint_William 1445 60
60 Baino 1430 61
35 ltc08 1385 62
58 ollikill 1379 63
46 lolx 1369 64

Again, if there's anything wrong with that, feel free to come and beg.

Now we'll randomly pick one member of each group of 16 and throw them together into one of those 16 initial round robin groups. But that'll have to wait until (European) tomorrow... sorry!
]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24113.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24113.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24114.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24114.page GMT
Group A
64 Tygerdave 1943 13
23 Naked_Bootleg 1669 31
14 thuldai 1591 41
60 Baino 1430 61

Group B
8 MapMaker 2187 1
9 Boris_spanky_long 1708 27
57 llib 1640 34
47 skippy_the_squirrel 1542 52

Group C
12 Copes 2092 7
52 Testeclese 1828 23
30 Balu 1567 45
33 Saint_William 1445 60

Group D
15 General_Death 2124 4
19 entregreeneur 1833 21
43 Nrok 1564 46
32 kersplat 1485 58

Group E
1 McMonster 2118 5
6 Brianiac 1842 19
13 Daithi 1620 37
46 lolx 1369 64

Group F
41 annihilatepop 2026 10
36 infocharlie 1718 25
51 baileyd999 1633 36
28 BruhMan 1544 51

Group G
5 Juffe 2139 3
53 ced 1852 18
61 Paddy_Wack 1637 35
31 King_Edward 1555 49

Group H
24 beetstreet 1904 15
63 Takishano 1753 24
18 The_Colostimizer 1577 43
54 mawif 1506 53

Group I
3 Gyver 1946 12
16 waksell 1665 32
55 weeRalph 1591 40
62 littlebrother 1490 57

Group J
22 ResistanceIsFutile 1874 16
50 WarTool 1675 29
44 aakerst2 1558 48
58 ollikill 1379 63

Group K
10 cowboy3 1922 14
2 Casaubon 1835 20
37 DeathandDecay 1562 47
49 Warmaker 1547 50

Group L
11 Rockwall 2073 9
7 johnmd20 1860 17
29 Wolfman 1610 39
21 Jokern 1451 59

Group M
17 Rosenstern_and_Guildencrantz 2150 2
59 Ace_of_Diamonds 1674 30
42 MasterDr 1584 42
27 dashing 1506 54

Group N
38 Shulgin 2018 11
4 HotChili 1690 28
40 Stupendous_Man 1575 44
48 SBosas 1491 56

Group O
39 kain7 2080 8
34 tezul 1829 22
25 BigTenChamps 1616 38
35 ltc08 1385 62

Group P
45 elsirad 2099 6
26 ThulsaDoom 1710 26
56 TAZ 1657 33
20 Sorensson 1501 55

Again, the first number is from the original sign-up list, then comes the user name, the rank this afternoon, and finally your rank within the tournament where 1 is the highest ranked participant and 64 the lowest. All but the user name can probably be safely ignored but who knows. If anybody wants to see the bash shell scripts to create all this, just ask me.

Yup, Cas, I think we can enter users into groups and then publish the URL. Then all that's left is agree on the 3 initial maps and off we can go. No? Forgot sth?
]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24115.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24115.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24116.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24116.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24117.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24117.page GMT I'm lucker ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24118.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24118.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24119.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24119.page GMT

[url=http://weewar.challonge.com/][size=18]http://weewar.challonge.com/[/size][/url]
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Give it some time, it's only been a day since we posted the full details and some people are still unsure if we've started.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24125.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24125.page GMT [img]http://casaubon.lima-city.de/Weewar/slices/placeholder.png[/img]
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]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24126.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24126.page GMT
So any player that has higher-ranked opponents in his group should invite them NOW to a game on one of the three suggested maps.

See http://weewar.challonge.com/ for the rules as well as links to the three map options. The idea is that the lower ranked player has a slight advantage in that he/she can pick where to lose, oh no, I mean, where to play.

Post game links in the new thread that is about to be started.

Have fun and good luck to all!]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24127.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24127.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24128.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24128.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24138.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24138.page GMT
Is it here that we are suppose to write that?
]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24144.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24144.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24146.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24146.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24148.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24148.page GMT Thanks. ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24152.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24152.page GMT Thanks. [/quote]

Good questions. No good answers, or formalized etiquette, really. Here and chat worth a shot. I wouldn't worry yet - Shulg will join and if SBosas doesn't invite you within a few days then we can start to hound her/him. I have only been invited to two out of my three games...]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24153.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24153.page GMT Thanks. [/quote]

Good questions. No good answers, or formalized etiquette, really. Here and chat worth a shot. I wouldn't worry yet - Shulg will join and if SBosas doesn't invite you within a few days then we can start to hound her/him. I have only been invited to two out of my three games...[/quote]

Shulgin took the game shortly after so that worked out and will keep you updated on SBosas]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24156.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24156.page GMT
I don't have an agenda because I am red in two of my three battles, but I just wanted to see if anyone else noticed the same thing.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24161.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24161.page GMT http://weewar.com/map/42410
to tell another group member to start his tournament games. No need to actually start the game (then you can also easily delete it again) but just put your text in the invitation as well as in the chat window.

No other way of contacting player. Forum and chat are too unreliable and to "broadcast" really to start calling specific players IMHO.

As for bias: I don't know about that. I mostly trusted stirling's expertise on that one, while other organizers might have looked more into details.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24163.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24163.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24166.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24166.page GMT I am in group J and yesterday I invited ResistanceIsFutile (who is higher ranked) and today he declined.
[url]http://weewar.com/game/349289[/url]
What to do?
Did I win, lose or should I just try again?]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24172.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24172.page GMT
I started a Group J "discussion/negotiation" game, where I remind ResistanceIsFutile (RIF) of the tournament and to accept the games. That's probably all that's needed. Let's see.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24173.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24173.page GMT
I started a Group J "discussion/negotiation" game, where I remind ResistanceIsFutile (RIF) of the tournament and to accept the games. That's probably all that's needed. Let's see.[/quote]

LOL. The T2012: Round 1 didn't gave that away? Come on Resistance, wake up. ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24175.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24175.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24178.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24178.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24179.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24179.page GMT

SBosas if you go to http://weewar.challonge.com/ it shows groups etc. and can click on the Group Name or for ours go directly with http://weewar.challonge.com/t2012_group_n
Shulgin and Stupendous_Man are the other two in our group you would need to send challenges to with the approved maps from the link above. I hope this helps and will look for other questions or post in our game and can help you there.

HotChili]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24180.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24180.page GMT
[b]Group E[/b]
McMonster 2118
Brianiac 1842
corsair813 1832 (instead of lolx 1369)
Daithi 1620

[b]Group J[/b]
IdahoBlaster 1908 (instead of ResistanceIsFutile 1874)
WarTool 1675
aakerst2 1558
ollikill 1379

Note that the order in Group E has changed as corsair813 has higher ranking than lolx, and Daithi. In group J the order remains the same.

TD
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I started a Group J "discussion/negotiation" game, where I remind ResistanceIsFutile (RIF) of the tournament and to accept the games. That's probably all that's needed. Let's see.[/quote]

sorry guys - had honestly forgot about the tourney. it seems like over a month ago that it was proposed; did not realize it was just now kicking off and that it would be more involved than everyone getting together on a Saturday and playing 5-minute Pyramid Chart until a winner emerges .

with that said, please accept humblest apologies, re-invite, will get my ass into gear, etc. etc. good luck to all!

RiF]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24186.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24186.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24188.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24188.page GMT
(You're currently the only person on the waiting list, by the way)]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24190.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24190.page GMT
(You're currently the only person on the waiting list, by the way)[/quote]

sorry man but i don't appreciate being booted without asking me wtf was going on first. i was invited to games out of the blue, and when you said it was the tournament, i was unable to commit the hours required to do a normal tournament this weekend. after finding out that it wasn't really a traditional tournament, but a series of regular games that play out until someone is crowned a "winner," i have no problem with that and can (and would love to) play.

now a day later you're telling me i'm kicked out. not fucking cool...]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24191.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24191.page GMT
Anyway, I contacted you and your group directly (http://weewar.com/game/349365) to let you know that it has started and that you are expected to accept the games. There you wrote:

"hey - sorry, but i can't commit to playing the tourney after all; had honestly forgotten all about it. sorry for throwing a wrench into things..."

I think there was no reason to assume that you had any interest in participating, so in order to make things move forward we replaced you with another player that had shown active interest in participating.

Should any other player drop out (and that's quite likely I'd say) you'll replace that player. Please let us know if you don't want to remain on the waiting list.
]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24192.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24192.page GMT But äm, where do I post results? I didnt see a single post about a victory here, so I assume its somewhere else?
Anyways, I won the game against skippy (http://weewar.com/game/348743). Yey!
All the best - Boris]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24193.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24193.page GMT @dashing: I´ve checked his games via [url=http://weewarspy.co.uk/]weewarspy[/url] and he has started all his 3 games.

@ResistanceIsFutile: sorry for the confusion about the pace of games, I admit the descriptions is lacking some lines about the long duration type of the whole tourney. On the other hand the rules in the [url=http://weewar.challonge.com/]description [/url] state, that games should be setup as 1 day time limit games even with a 2 days over time tolerance. We thought it´d be clear enough, if there is 64 players participating in games with a 1 day turn pace, that the whole thing would be some long term event.
I understand your point that it´s not easy to figure out right at the start where all the T2012 information could be found as we use the forums and the external site at the same time.
Still as your groupmates started inviting you, it would have been a good idea to check out the challonge site with the rules as it was linked from within the forum [url=http://weewar.com/forum/posts/list/90/2338.page#24126]thread[/url] and the whole issue commented by several people.
We will inform you, if we there is clean drop outs like player lolx and hopefully you can get a replacement spot for another no show.

@boris: the majority of the organizers wanted the results being posted in a separate thread: [url=http://weewar.com/forum/posts/list/2340.page]http://weewar.com/forum/posts/list/2340.page[/url]
]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24194.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24194.page GMT
(You're currently the only person on the waiting list, by the way)[/quote]

sorry man but i don't appreciate being booted without asking me wtf was going on first. i was invited to games out of the blue, and when you said it was the tournament, i was unable to commit the hours required to do a normal tournament this weekend. after finding out that it wasn't really a traditional tournament, but a series of regular games that play out until someone is crowned a "winner," i have no problem with that and can (and would love to) play.

now a day later you're telling me i'm kicked out. not fucking cool...[/quote]

It seems like you're the only one who had this problem. Thus, there is a chance it is you who is walking out of step and not everyone else. The organizers have put in a ton of time setting this up and managing the games and all they asked is for people to follow the boards to see what was going on. Truth be told, you had multiple chances to check the Forum or even chat with an opponent who invited you to a game to find out how the tournament was working and you took none of those actions. You did nothing, just rejected invites.

What did you expect to happen?

You're a great dude, and an awesome guy to play against, but you're out of line here. There is one person at fault for you getting booted to the waiting list.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24199.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24199.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24202.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24202.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24203.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24203.page GMT
fun times!

HUGE SHOUT OUT to Thuldai and Casaubon for doing most of the work on the challonge site, group formation and game postings!]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24209.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24209.page GMT @dashing: I´ve checked his games via [url=http://weewarspy.co.uk/]weewarspy[/url] and he has started all his 3 games.

@ResistanceIsFutile: sorry for the confusion about the pace of games, I admit the descriptions is lacking some lines about the long duration type of the whole tourney. On the other hand the rules in the [url=http://weewar.challonge.com/]description [/url] state, that games should be setup as 1 day time limit games even with a 2 days over time tolerance. We thought it´d be clear enough, if there is 64 players participating in games with a 1 day turn pace, that the whole thing would be some long term event.
I understand your point that it´s not easy to figure out right at the start where all the T2012 information could be found as we use the forums and the external site at the same time.
Still as your groupmates started inviting you, it would have been a good idea to check out the challonge site with the rules as it was linked from within the forum [url=http://weewar.com/forum/posts/list/90/2338.page#24126]thread[/url] and the whole issue commented by several people.
We will inform you, if we there is clean drop outs like player lolx and hopefully you can get a replacement spot for another no show.

@boris: the majority of the organizers wanted the results being posted in a separate thread: [url=http://weewar.com/forum/posts/list/2340.page]http://weewar.com/forum/posts/list/2340.page[/url]
[/quote]

Yeah I got the request this morning and dashing is already making up for lost time! ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24211.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24211.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24215.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24215.page GMT
There will be more tournaments, maybe not in 2012, but 2013! If weewar's still around that is.

TD]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24224.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24224.page GMT
You're missing the point. After everything was sorted out, I was the one who offered to step aside so the replacement player wouldn't get booted because of me. There were zero hard feelings at that point and I fully acknowledged the fault was all mine.

What pissed me off was when thul said he hadn't even spoken with the replacement yet. If that were true, the right thing to do would be let the tourney continue as planned. But he basically said to me, "well, no I haven't talked to the replacement, but you're still out."

So yeah, that was pretty fucked up in my opinion, and what really put me over the top was when I asked Mc, evidently he knew all about it yet defended him anyway.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24233.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24233.page GMT First on the waiting list is [url=http://weewar.com/user/ResistanceIsFutile]ResistanceIsFutile[/url], so he gets the spot. The table will be updated shortly.

Psetterl if we get another early drop out we will inform you as you are 2nd on waiting list.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24236.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24236.page GMT You're missing the point. After everything was sorted out, I was the one who offered to step aside so the replacement player wouldn't get booted because of me. There were zero hard feelings at that point and I fully acknowledged the fault was all mine.

What pissed me off was when thul said he hadn't even spoken with the replacement yet. If that were true, the right thing to do would be let the tourney continue as planned. But he basically said to me, "well, no I haven't talked to the replacement, but you're still out."

So yeah, that was pretty fucked up in my opinion, and what really put me over the top was when I asked Mc, evidently he knew all about it yet defended him anyway.[/quote]

hmmmmm? i never said i was aware of such a scenario in my communication with RiF.
just to set the record straight: http://weewar.com/game/349589

i doubt it happened the way RiF describes above, but am open to being corrected on that.
]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24240.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24240.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24241.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24241.page GMT
1) We all know that kids read these forums and your language is not appropriate, please edit your posts.

2) Looks clear from this http://weewar.com/game/349365 that Thul VERY NICELY asked you to join the games and you said you didn't have time. He then gave the go ahead to your round robin group to invite the other player. You were out at that point, he didn't need to talk to the replacement.

You are already back in the tournament thanks to Thuldai. Look back over all his responses and the fact that he got you back in and think about it with a clear head and then do the right thing here and apologize.

If you choose not to and we cross paths in the tournament don't bother sending me an invite, I'd rather drop out than play with someone with that attitude, I may not be the only one either.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24243.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24243.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24245.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24245.page GMT
Yup, let's do that as I'm a bit confused by what RiF's saying.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24249.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24249.page GMT
I started a Group J "discussion/negotiation" game, where I remind ResistanceIsFutile (RIF) of the tournament and to accept the games. That's probably all that's needed. Let's see.[/quote]

LOL. The T2012: Round 1 didn't gave that away? Come on Resistance, wake up. [/quote]

heh sorry man, i'm totally lost. got 2 invites, accepted them both, won 1 and am still playing the other, but have no idea if these are real games or just practice ones players threw out there. i'm assuming the latter for the moment; boards don't look any different than they did a week ago...]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24253.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24253.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24254.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24254.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24267.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24267.page GMT
Many games are still going on, only 1 group out of 16 has completely finished all their games already, so there's not all that much of a hurry quite yet. Doesn't mean anyone should dawdle but we're still a bit away from a "one player holding up the whole tournament"-situation.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24270.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24270.page GMT http://weewar.challonge.com/

1. Please setup your tourney games with 1 day time limit and as a RATED game, don´t boot before your opponent is 3 days late and send reminders before you do.

2. Please report results in the T2012 Results Thread http://weewar.com/forum/posts/list/2340.pag

3. Don´t delete your game from your headquarters before an organizer could confirm the outcome.

4. Please name your tourney games with a T2012 name tag in front of your personal game name (T2012 blabla). this ensures people can distinguish tourney games easier via weewarspy and can watch. we also encourage players to join the weewar fair play union. this is not a must, but it´s cool.

5. The tournament starts with Round Robin of 64 players subdivided in 16 groups (A-P of 4 players each). everybody fights all other 3 within his group. afterwards 2 winners with the most wins per group advance and then it's subsiquent eliminations rounds.

6. If two players had 2 wins and 1 loss, they once fought each other directly. the player that won that direct encounter will be considered better than the other. Ties in games that cannot be finished, or ties in group rankings, will get a decision game on a smallish map that the tourney organizers decide on.

7. Groups were seeded randomly with an equal distribution of players by their weewar ranking points. Official round 1 maps are to be chosen from the three options on the Challonge tourney page http://weewar.challonge.com/ by the lower ranked player, who plays as blue player & invites his opponent.
[b]
8. Round 2, the first elimination or knock out round will start AFTER all Round Robin games are complete. Please WAIT to start your Round 2 game until we announce the final Round Robin result in the T2012 Results Thread http://weewar.com/forum/posts/list/2340.page [/b]

9. The map for Round 2 will be Alto Straight http://weewar.com/map/57740 AFTER the Round Robins are complete, lower ranked players please invite your opponent as listed to 1 day turn, rated games, taking their name from the chart for the Elimination Rounds on the Challonge site: http://weewar.challonge.com/t2012_knock_outs [b] We are announcing the map now to give those who are unfamiliar with it a chance to practice on it a wee bit, as some other players in the tourney have played it before.[/b]

10. Maps for subsequent rounds will be selected by the organizing committee in due time. We are open to your suggestions.

11. Please post any questions, concerns or appeals here and the organizing committee members (Casaubon, Daithi, Darkbee, McMonster, Shulgin, Thuldai) will post reponses ASAP.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24306.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24306.page GMT ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24309.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24309.page GMT

http://www.weewar.com/map/57992

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[/quote]

I can confirm this. lol.

I find jeye's version to be most balanced.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24337.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24337.page GMT
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While there are a few unfinished round robin games still underway, we believe that almost every slot in the elimination round chart is spoken for. So...Round 2, the first elimination or knock out round can begin! Please post links to your games and game results on the T2012 Results Thread http://weewar.com/forum/posts/list/2340.page

The map for Round 2 is Alto Straight http://weewar.com/map/57740

Complete list of tourney rules are posted on this page, a few posts above this one.

Lower ranked players please invite your opponent as listed to 1 day turn, rated games, taking their name from the chart for the Elimination Rounds on the Challonge site: http://weewar.challonge.com/t2012_knock_outs - We will update this list asap.

UNTIL THAT TREE IS UP-TO-DATE, you can see the 1st and 2nd ranked players from each group by looking at who won and lost their games, on page one of the T2012 Results Thread: http://weewar.com/forum/posts/list/2340.page

Maps for subsequent rounds will be selected by the organizing committee in due time. We are open to your suggestions, such as GD's recommendation of webwar.

Please post any questions, concerns or appeals here and the organizing committee members (Casaubon, Daithi, Darkbee, McMonster, Shulgin, Thuldai) will post responses ASAP.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24350.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24350.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24361.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24361.page GMT
http://www.weewar.com/map/47646 - Made by copes, excellent and balanced map. The original is blue biased

hhttp://www.weewar.com/map/39577 - Another modified by Copes, this one is much more balanced than original as well

http://www.weewar.com/map/56166 - This was my attempt at balancing this iconic map, strictly a land battle, but lots of fun

http://www.weewar.com/map/55907 - Just a simple all out war map Nothing too complicated here, I may have an advantage, but I have also been beaten by Mapmaker, Juffe, Mcmonster, Johnmd20, and many others, a few times, so I'm definitely not at a huge advantage here if this were a later round map.


I will try to keep them coming, let me know if you guys like any of these
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[/quote]

I can confirm this. lol.

I find jeye's version to be most balanced.[/quote]

I agree with R & G that jeye's version of the webwar maps is the most balanced.

http://www.weewar.com/map/39982

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The map for Round 3 will be Surrounded 3.0 by Kammrath http://weewar.com/map/57521

We are announcing this map in advance of the end of Round 2 so that everyone has a chance to practice it before Round 3 gets going - some weewarriors will already be familiar with it, so we want everyone to have a chance to play it before the round starts in order to minimize this advantage that some may have. Please let us know if you detect any bias on this map.

[b]PLEASE DO NOT START YOUR 3rd ROUND GAMES UNTIL ALL 2nd ROUND GAMES ARE COMPLETE AND WE ANNOUNCE THE START OF THE NEXT ROUND.[/b]

Maps for subsequent rounds will be selected by the organizing committee in due time. We are open to your suggestions. Tourney rules are posted above on this page and at the start of this thread.

Please post any questions, concerns or appeals here in this thread and the organizing committee members (Casaubon, Daithi, Darkbee, McMonster, Shulgin, Thuldai) will post responses ASAP.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24410.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24410.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24412.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24412.page GMT The map dimensions are´nt too large, and the low income prevents from building up a too strong defense line. Even if you need some more turns to finish the map the reasonable size allows to have your turns finished in a few minutes, this should help a quick pace of the game. Also the distance between bases makes your units stationed on one base unable to help out your troops on the other spot in an emergency. Just bring in light artillery with your attack and dry out the trooper spawn.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24414.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24414.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24415.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24415.page GMT

(also trying to keep this thread alive while we wait for the last couple round 2 games)]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24426.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24426.page GMT
Please be clear about the lower ranked player, does he get to pick colour? or does he have to be blue? I'm assuming it's the former, that's my understanding at least. Please clarify that.

Thank you,

p.s. the latest map for the next tourney round is totally boring and I think a poor choice. ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24427.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24427.page GMT
Please be clear about the lower ranked player, does he get to pick colour? or does he have to be blue? I'm assuming it's the former, that's my understanding at least. Please clarify that.

Thank you,

p.s. the latest map for the next tourney round is totally boring and I think a poor choice. [/quote]

We hear you GD and are reviewing both matters as a group now.

We have already pretty much agreed to pick another map for the next round and are discussing options. shulgin and i are trying to keep a low profile in that discussion as we will be playing in the upcoming round. ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24428.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24428.page GMT
http://weewar.com/game/355814]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24429.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24429.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24431.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24431.page GMT
On that note here are a few suggestions I feel are fair and balanced maps we could use for round 3.

1) Copy of Shallow Waters - Balanced! v.3 by Whatyousay. http://weewar.com/map/42343 A great map and great fun. Been play tested for balance numerous times.

2) Symwar 2 by jeye. http://weewar.com/map/39456 A wonderfully balanced map that any weewarrior would enjoy.

3) Poison Donut 2.0. http://weewar.com/map/55907 I like this map a lot but I think GD has a version where income is only 2000 instead of 4000 which makes for a more thoughtful allocation of resources and also progresses the game a little faster. Either way i think most high level players would agree this one is well balanced.
]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24432.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24432.page GMT .. lol, 3 people would be guranteed a win if that's the map, R&G (it's his turf), Mapmaker, and Kain7 would all dominate.

Just needed to clarify that. I personally think a strictly land based map for this round would be terrible, need navy and air at this level of play. ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24435.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24435.page GMT http://weewar.com/map/47646 (or some other balanced version) could be good. The games might be too long on that map, though.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24436.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24436.page GMT
And I'm hoping that the map is chosen with plenty of time for practice to mitigate the advantage of those who have played the map extensively.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24437.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24437.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24438.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24438.page GMT
Although I cannot confirm anything, I'd say it's a safe bet that we will go with this map, given your enthusiasm, so, everyone can feel free to start practicing:

http://weewar.com/map/47646

No guarantees, as the committee must decide, but no harm in more weewar, eh?! ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24439.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24439.page GMT
So: go ahead and practice!
]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24440.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24440.page GMT ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24441.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24441.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24443.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24443.page GMT [b]
ROUND 3 - Elimination Round 2 is a go for this Weds, April 11[/b]

This gives all participants a few days to practice on the official map:

Copes version of "There will be Blood III" http://weewar.com/map/47646

Good luck to all! There will be some doozies. We expect these games to take some time, but please stick to your one turn per day minimum.

Also, just to confirm, lower ranked players (blue) invite higher ranked players (red) - the organizers discussed this, and it just seems like the simplest way to organize things. Use your rankings as of Weds, when you start your game, to determine who is higher and who is lower ranked.
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]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24446.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24446.page GMT
http://weewar.com/map/42343

Whatyousay's version of Shallow Waters.

I remember thinking it was a bit blue bias when Riipperi beat me there twice as blue, and then I beat him as blue, but I am not sure - that was two years ago

It's a fierce naval-centric map

Your thoughts? ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24457.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24457.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24458.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24458.page GMT
got it. do some folks wanna play some test games on it to verify? anyone have any ideas for fixing the slight bias? ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24459.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24459.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24460.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24460.page GMT
Just a suggestion: Stirling's Aruba.. lol]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24470.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24470.page GMT
]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24471.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24471.page GMT
[/quote]
Somethiing eeeeelllllse, plleaaaze.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24472.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24472.page GMT
But on other subject, I got an email from McMonster, it was just as I thought, he's very busy with his work. He says he quit and to boot him from all his games. It's sad, but those were his words. Cheers!]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24489.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24489.page GMT
GD vs R&G http://www.weewar.com/game/360505

The rules this year didn't mention skipping, so there may be a problem to be solved.

Edit: Because I do have time to waste, I would have posted a screen capture of the situation just after the skip for everyone's viewing pleasure. But I don't know how to post it, apparently you can't just copypaste images here.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24490.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24490.page GMT
GD vs R&G http://www.weewar.com/game/360505

The rules this year didn't mention skipping, so there may be a problem to be solved.
[/quote]

In a close game after he just launched a massive attack, skipping one turn is a deal braker. Skipping is effectively booting. Attacking two turns in a row in a close game is as good as booting. Game is fucked. I'll let everyone decide for themselves though....

Screenshot of the board after I was skipped unable to take my turn:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/76669484/Screen%20shot%202012-05-05%20at%2010.38.50%20AM.png
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GD vs R&G http://www.weewar.com/game/360505

The rules this year didn't mention skipping, so there may be a problem to be solved.
[/quote]

In a close game after he just launched a massive attack, skipping one turn is a deal braker. Skipping is effectively booting. Game is fucked.[/quote]


yeah, we do need some judging here, cause this is bullshit. Please don't clutter up our game chat so they can see how many times you were late, and how many times I sent you reminders. I'm sorry, we're all busy, but everyone somehow manages to take their turns on time. If you need 5 days to make a move, how is that fair to me when I make it in 30 seconds. ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24492.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24492.page GMT
GD vs R&G http://www.weewar.com/game/360505

The rules this year didn't mention skipping, so there may be a problem to be solved.
[/quote]

In a close game after he just launched a massive attack, skipping one turn is a deal braker. Skipping is effectively booting. Game is fucked.[/quote]


everyone somehow manages to take their turns on time. If you need 5 days to make a move, how is that fair to me when I make it in 30 seconds. [/quote]


WHO ARE YOU KIDDING RIGHT NOW????
Go look at the three other games still being played. Kain is currently late on his turn. Shulgin is currently 2 days late on his turn. and McMonster is currently 11 days late on his turn. Not only that but ive seen copes late and MapMaker late on other occasions. Its basically the opposite of your claim. Everyone has been late.....not on time. Somehow everyone else manages to deal with it quite well though. And ive explained to you numerous times the rigors of my job and how i can be kept at the office until 10pm and not have a chance to move that day. You know that i make up for it on the weekends with multiple turns in a day which is why we are furthest along of any game (at round 31). The situation becomes more confusing because you have always been so understanding in the past and have never expressed any of the frustration you are now venting to everyone. I realize you dont have a job right now which allows you a lot of time and freedom to take your turns as you please but its not fair to me to act like i dont have job that demands huge amounts of my time.

Lastly, even if everything i said is wrong and your skip was completely justified, i simply dont see why you couldn't have been more of a gentleman about it and said:

"Hey Rossie, im growing frustrated with you being late. If it continues im going to skip you."

I've been playing with you for nearly three years now and have enjoyed EVERY single game we have played except for this one. It seems very out of character that you would do this. Go ahead, you can advance to the next round GD. Good luck in the rest of the tournament.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24493.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24493.page GMT

I met R&G when he was ranked 1850, he had zero losses, I played him Jovanas, and almost had him surrendering, but it ended in a draw. I knew then it was a mistake, I should’ve kept going till I defeated him. He then played me unrated Aruba a hundred times to learn the intricacies of the game, then played one lame map a billion times to figure it out (symwar 2) and that was the only map he played rated for most of his games. Made it to number 3, and now he thinks he can compete on all levels, and never even mentions any word that I had a lot to do with his learning in this game and subsequent success.

All he does is never attack, in a game that is defence biased, of course you can have zero losses if that’s all you do. Also, when anybody attacks, he takes forever to think of the best outcomes possible. Even if it passes the game time over a few times, he still expects to get his thinking time.

Well, it’s bullshit, if I take all the risk of attacking, the least considerate thing you can do is play on time and not be a pussy about every move.
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And I did tell you pleasantly a million times!!! I said, please don't be late, I reminded you 5 times, that's entirely too much. I'm sorry, but if you couldn't read between the lines, it's not my problem.

Also, thanks for polluting our game with chat, on purpose of course, so people don't see how many times I've had to remind you. I'm done with this, not writing about it again. Judges do what you like, but I really do believe I should go on to the next round. If the decision is otherwise, I don't care

I've never booted or skipped anyone who was on vacation or work trips, but you are late all the time, sometimes without even saying a word. It's not the same thing as the examples you wrote above with Copes and others. No one I've ever played has ever needed as much extra time as you.

Skipping is not the same as booting, not sure why you lost it on me like that, character
insults, seriously?
It's not the same thing, I was going to offer peace, had you handled it differently. Either way I feel like crap now.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24495.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24495.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24496.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24496.page GMT
Either way, no need for judge deliberation. I was wrong, I'm sorry I was in a most foul mood yesterday R&G and i took it out on you. Even though I gave you ample warning, 5 reminders in a game are more than a warning, and it wasn't 3. People who were watching could verify that for you. I'll drop out of the tourney for that, gl to you, you can proceed.
]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24500.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24500.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24501.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24501.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24502.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24502.page GMT
[quote=General_Death]
All he does is never attack, in a game that is defence biased
[/quote]

I'm sorry you were frustrated with my defensive approach. It was my first time ever playing a full game on a map I didn't know very well.

Secondly, given the nature of a single elimination tournament, I didn't feel the need to attempt a high risk attack strategy I wasn't positioned for. Given more time, I certainly would have attacked you.

[quote=General_Death]
Also, when anybody attacks, he takes forever to think of the best outcomes possible. Even if it passes the game time over a few times, he still expects to get his thinking time.
[/quote]

You make it seem as if I sat starring at the board for three days unwilling to make my turn. In actuality, I logged in for 15 minutes, took note of your attack, moved a few pieces, and had to get to another commitment. Not wanting to rush the most important turn of the game in a matter of a few minutes I decided to finish my turn later. I had no time to finish my turn until about a day or so later when I logged in and you had skipped me. I'm not denying that you have a faster playing style than me because you certainly do but isn't everyone entitled to plan an attack before they move their pieces?

[quote=General_Death]
I met R&G when he was ranked 1850, he had zero losses, I played him Jovanas, and almost had him surrendering, but it ended in a draw. I knew then it was a mistake, I should’ve kept going till I defeated him.
[/quote]

I'm not sure why this was even necessary to bring up. We ended that game after round 50 with almost identical size armies. You make it seem as if you handed me a draw out of kindness, when it was actually a completely fair split. I did notice how you failed to mention my win against you in a rated game on nikki's sea invasion map when I had you all but finshed and decided to offer you peace merely because I had beat you the previous game and didn't want to take anymore points from you (as a thank you for teaching me a lot about the game).

[quote=General_Death]
then played one lame map a billion times to figure it out (symwar 2) and that was the only map he played rated for most of his games.
[/quote]

I did indeed play a lot of games on that map because I really enjoyed it. I never cared much about points though and I can't understand what it has to do with you skipping me.

[quote=General_Death]
never even mentions any word that I had a lot to do with his learning in this game and subsequent success.
[/quote]

You have had a tremendous amount of influence on my improvement within this game. I have never said otherwise. Without a doubt I've played more games against you than anyone else on this site. I can't thank you enough for all the pointers you have given me over the years. I'm still not sure what this has to do with you skipping me though...





Again, I'm sorry I got heated. I was mostly so iritated because we were further along than any other game and I just didnt see a reason for the skip. What was the end goal? To get me to play faster so we could finish up our game and then have to wait for everyone else to finish? Either way we were gonna wait at some point, what did it matter if it was during one of my turns or after our game was over?

Anyway, I know it was mostly out of your frustration with me being slow, which I admit I was at times. Weewar isn't a top priority for me in life. I go to the gym before work and sometimes head out for drinks after work (neglecting my weewar turns). I could have made it a priority for this tournament and didn't, so perhaps it's my fault. ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24517.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24517.page GMT
The organizers offered to RnG to go on in the tournament as GD didn't technically have the right to skip yet as the rules specify ""do NOT skip or boot your opponent before day 3 of inactivity and before you have sent a reminder." While GD had reminded RnG more than 3 times during the game, on this particular instance RnG hadn't been over 3 days yet. A majority of the organizers hence thought that it was to RnG to move on.

RnG rejected this offer as he didn't want to win like this. He suggested to restart the game. But then due to time constraints and continued differences between RnG and GD that didn't happen either.

So what the remaining active organizers (Daithi and myself) decided is that none of them will move on, and that whoever would have played the winner next will pass to the next round without having to face an opponent. This lucky (?) person seems to be cowboy3 unless McMonster comes back soon.

Cheers!]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24524.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24524.page GMT
When this one is over we should start a thread and see if we can come up with some ideas that might help for next year.

]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24525.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24525.page GMT [color=darkred][b][size=18]deadline for elimination round 2[/size][/b][/color]
and it is:

[color=darkred][b][size=24]May 31st[/size][/b][/color]

(Year: 2012, just in case there were doubts)

This only effects the two remaining games:
[url=http://www.weewar.com/game/360609 ]Mapmaker vs. kain7[/url] : Two huge armies face each other, more scared by the enemy than persuaded by their own strength. If by then no player got a clear (to you, the players) advantage we'll have to resort to DFA duels (suggestions are welcome, couldn't find a map).
[url=http://weewar.com/game/360932 ]Copes vs. Shulgin[/url] : Shulgin has been gone for a long time. As soon as Copes decides to pull the plug we have a winner. If he doesn't and Shulgin comes back but no clear winner emerges by the deadline, then we might have to do the DFA duelling as well.

We're also looking into [b][size=18][color=darkred]suggestions[/color][/size][/b] for [b][size=18][color=darkred]next round's map[/color][/size][/b], please post here. Alternatively, players can just mutually agree on what map they want to play on, let me know if the remaining players like that idea.

Cheers! ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24526.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24526.page GMT
http://weewar.com/map/41072 Any opinions on balance?

http://weewar.com/map/46955 Would need balancing by someone (Stirling?), also: could that end up being too slow?

Any opinions are appreciated. I don't mind if you don't like the maps (I have very little knowledge about maps) but I'd appreciate it if you suggested a better one.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24527.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24527.page GMT
Tomorrow i go on vacation for 1 week, so you can begin to search an dfa-duell map

]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24530.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24530.page GMT
If you do think so, we're more than happy to extend the deadline by another week.

Be honest.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24531.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24531.page GMT
you can give us 3 month and i think nothing happens.

this map needs attacking guys, but mapmaker and me are more counterattack-guys.

So nothing will happens here^^]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24532.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24532.page GMT [/quote]

Here's a map I used to check whether terrain affects dfa v s dfa destruction probabilities (it doesn't). http://weewar.com/map/55575
If someone feels uncomfortable having their side on the repairshops, it's easy to change them into plains.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24533.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24533.page GMT
http://weewar.com/map/59254]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24534.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24534.page GMT
http://weewar.com/map/59254[/quote]
If you made the map with several pairs of DFA:s, you wouldn't have to always restart if the duel is a draw, but instead just move down to the next pair.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24538.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24538.page GMT
http://weewar.com/map/59272

Any suggestions for next round's map? Anybody?]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24540.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24540.page GMT <a href="http://weewar.com/map/31538" ><img src="http://weewar.com/images/maps/boardThumb_31538_ir4.png" /></a>
or this
<a href="http://weewar.com/map/57521" ><img src="http://weewar.com/images/maps/boardThumb_57521_ir2.png" /></a>]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24543.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24543.page GMT
Just to clarify, I have no more beef with you R&G, you're a good guy, and I always had fun playing with you when you were around more often. It's ok though, this is just a game and I should've been more patient. Take care, and best of luck my friend. ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24546.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24546.page GMT
you can give us 3 month and i think nothing happens.

this map needs attacking guys, but mapmaker and me are more counterattack-guys.

So nothing will happens here^^[/quote]

lol, totally agree with Kain, if I was playing, this game would already be over one way or the other .. Most likely with Stirling as the winner]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24547.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24547.page GMT
I'm suggesting my map [url=http://weewar.com/map/59272]"DFA multi duel"[/url] for this. The map comments contain the instructions. Let me know if you disagree.

I tested the DFA duel, and out of 299 trials I ran (yawn) blue won 75 times and red 79. Still figuring out if this is a significant difference but I doubt it. Not sure if I should test this using a Wilcoxon signed-rank test or some form of Chi-Squared test, any helpful advice is appreciated. If anybody wants to see (and play around with) the data (and/or create even more of it), invite me to a game and I'll show you what I got. [wolfwhistle]

Then, I like the idea of using [url=http://weewar.com/map/31538]Boomerang[/url] as the next map (the upper one of the two pictures in Casaubon's post above), anybody against it? Does it need balancing? If yes, is there already a more balanced map or could somebody (Stirling?) kindly make one?

Your T2012-organizer-team's communications officer - Thuldai]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24558.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24558.page GMT
http://www.weewar.com/map/59272

Instructions are in the map description. Please post who won including a game link.

And: [color=white]start of elimination round 3[/color]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/maheE.gif[/IMG]

Starting RIGHT NOW (no blink-tag?!? how annoying...) the remaining contestants are invited to start their next round on Boomerang ([url]http://weewar.com/map/31538[/url]). Don't forget to put "T2012" in your game title and don't forget to post links to your games here so I can put them on challonge sooner or later. I don't care who invites whom, please figure it out. If you can't agree on who shall begin, please post here and we'll flip a coin.

Exceptions are cowboy3 who doesn't have to play to proceed and Juffe who has to wait for the result of the duel.

Good luck all around!

Your T2012-keep-it-moving officer - Thuldai
[color=darkblue][b]
Modified by Darkbee: There you go. Is that annoying enough for you?[/b][/color]

[color=darkred][b]Edit by Thuldai: Awesome, thanks. How did you make the IMG? Is there a quick/dirty/easy way?[/b][/color]]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24565.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24565.page GMT i invite mapmaker and i will wait until he agrees

Note: i make this game "unrated"]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24569.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24569.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24570.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24570.page GMT
Thanks Cas.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24572.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24572.page GMT
Edit:

No interest to wait longer now i begin the fight

]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24574.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24574.page GMT
Mapmaker wins and goes to the next round

]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24575.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24575.page GMT
In any case it's time to keep on tourmenting! Did any next-round-games start?]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24578.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24578.page GMT <a href="http://weewar.com/map/31538" ><img src="http://weewar.com/images/maps/boardThumb_31538_ir4.png" /></a>
or this
<a href="http://weewar.com/map/57521" ><img src="http://weewar.com/images/maps/boardThumb_57521_ir2.png" /></a>[/quote]

Or even smaller like this

<a href="http://weewar.com/map/51699" > <img src="http://weewar.com/images/maps/preview_51699_ir4.png" /> </a>]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24580.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24580.page GMT http://www.weewar.com/game/369150
next round]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24583.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24583.page GMT
Only MapMaker hasn't accepted Juffe's challenge quite yet, not sure he's realized at all that he won the DFA duel against kain7 but hopefully he'll get around to playing Juffe soon.

Good luck & brains to all the remaining players and good fun to all the onlookers!

Your keep-the-T2012-forums-alive officer Thuldai
]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24590.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24590.page GMT http://weewar.com/user/Copes/maps

Fishy Lakes went well as the final last year - Copes updated it
UTI is seen a lot in the tournament - Copes update seems the best balanced of the versions


I still harbor doubts about any version of Sea Invasion being balanced, I think tales of it's fairness are just fish stories, but the tide of public opinion may be against me so I'll clam up.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24595.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24595.page GMT ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24596.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24596.page GMT
We're the last game for this round and I'm going to be out of town in several weeks and would really like to have this thing wrapped up before then.

How long would the judges like me to wait?]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24600.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24600.page GMT
beetstreet: If you've lost interest in the game or are occupied by Real Life or similar, please let us know, so we can proceed in the tournament.

I wanted to post this in the game chat but somehow I managed to screw it up in the process. [b]Very[/b] sorry about that. Also the record of at least three late reminders by Tygerdave has vanished along with it, but I vouch having seen them and this shall be a written record of that fact.]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24602.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24602.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24603.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24603.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24605.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24605.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24611.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24611.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24612.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24612.page GMT
But thanks a lot, beetstreet, for your understanding. Indeed I also had the impression that you were on the way down (else I might have hesitated longer) but still, rules are rules. A gold star for fairness and goodwill to beetstreet.

[color=darkred][size=18][b]Semi-finals to be started![/b][/size][/color]

Next round's map shall be Copes' version of Fishy Lakes, as thankfully suggested by Tygerdave:

http://weewar.com/map/55617

Please start the semi-finals and post game links! (Wow, we're synced for a few days with the Euro 2012!)

Your pushing-T2012-forward-till-it-hurts-pusher Thuldai
]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24613.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24613.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/list/493.page - Any of them in the first 'blue' section would be great thanks! ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24617.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24617.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24618.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24618.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24621.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24621.page GMT ]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24622.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24622.page GMT http://weewar.com/map/39170 We used it in the tournament a couple of years ago, and I think it made for some really good games. It's a large map, so it's not really appropriate for an early round since it would take a long time to finish all the games. But I think it would make for a great championship game.
]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24637.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24637.page GMT
[size=18]The T2012's final map is "[url=http://weewar.com/map/39170]Copes' Copy of NM - Under the Influence..."[/url].[/size]

Our finalists Tygerdave and Juffe can take a week max to practice on that map, then (August 11th) at the latest please start the final. Of course, you're also welcome to start asap, I leave that to you.

This is assuming Tygerdave is around at all (holidays?). Please let us know if you (=Tygerdave) need more time to look at this map.

May the Luck be with you!

Thuldai for the T2012 organizers
]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24638.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24638.page GMT
Also congrats to [color=darkred][b][size=16]Tygerdave[/size][/b][/color] to his well-deserved silver medal, platter, trooper or whatever he fancies in silver!

And big kudos to [color=darkred][b][size=12]Cowboy3[/size][/b][/color] and [color=darkred][b][size=12]Copes[/size][/b][/color] who made it to the semi-finals and hence share place 3 & 4 with each other (due to a lack of direct encounter we have to leave it at that).

Anybody who keeps track of those tournament winners shall please enter them into their statistics.

Then regular-sized kudos to everybody else for their (mostly) timely playing and their (mostly) very civil, fair and polite participation. All in all it was very inspiring to see the sportsmanship and politeness demonstrated by our participants, a few notable exception excluded, of course.

This officially concludes the T2012 and if that's not celebratory enough just (re-)watch the closing ceremonies of the London 2012 olympics, they only did it for us.

Cheers!

Thuldai
in the name of the T2012-OC, which consisted at least at some point in time of (in alphabetical order):
Casaubon
Daithi
Darkbee
McMonster
Shulgin
Thuldai]]> http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24714.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24714.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24718.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24718.page GMT http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24741.page http://weewar.com/forum/posts/preList/2338/24741.page GMT