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**Warmaker**

@Troy - Lucian has a point about your comments with Nimibia. First, you make yourself sound like a bad person when you say, "It's in southern Africa, go find a map. In fact, you probably don't know where Africa is. It's on the globe." That's insulting and not going to get your point across. Second, as Lucian also pointed out, when you say you were there and you helped out, good for you. But you also sound like you're bragging about it. "Hey, look at what an amazing humanitarian I am." It makes me think of celebrities who support a cause.... for a week. It shouldn't be about what you did, it should be about how they benefited. Claiming to have experienced the worst of all of us is also not cool. There are some nasty parts of the world, and we may have been there.

I was in the U.S. Marines for 6 years. I've been to those places. I've seen the armpits of the world and 'living there' for a month does not give you an accurate depiction of what life is like. You knew you would eventually go back home. You weren't in a hopeless and helpless situation. It's good to support causes around the world, but don't associate yourself with them. When universities in the U.S. have kids spend a night outdoors during the winter to bring awareness to homelessness, I shake my head. At home, we called it camping. It doesn't give them a true view of what it's like to be homeless. The same goes with you and Africa.

@Lucian - Solid words, man. I may correct people when they're wrong, but I sure as hell don't tell them their own business. I would never accuse a guy I didn't know of not being able to identify Laos on a map. It's not about the individual experiences, but the world as a whole. I'm a fan of world cultures and I like learning about people on this little planet. Good effort on you for trying to keep the "you" and "me" away from the discussion and refocus the conversation on the big picture. People should travel and experience everything there is to offer before forming their opinions. It's a shame that's not how most folks feel.

@Everyone else - Tighten your chinstraps*, ladies. Jump in with your 2 cents!

*Cultural Note : The chinstrap is a small device used for securing a helmet onto a player's head. It is a reference often found in American Football, or as my buddy from Peru calls it, "North American Armoured Wankball." The more you know!

**Darkbee**

I thought about making a comment but I'm almost afraid... keep your hands off that red button!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**troymadsen**

Lucian wrote:For those of you in the US, look outside of your own world for a moment and realize that there are countries where it's downright impossible to find a job that pays more than a few hundred dollars a month if that. Realize that this isn't just something you look at for five minutes and forget about as it happens 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year for the rest of their lives! That's a bloody long time. You don't have to "help" but learning about what's out there will do you a lot of good.

I guess this statement was what made me respond the way I did. I understand what you said about generalizations, but obviously I feel strongly about this subject. I am sorry for the way I responded, I realize it was a bit harsh and I don't know your personal situation or where you come from. You're right that I don't know exactly what it is like for the poor people that I spent time with in Namibia, and I don't claim to, but I went over there right after high school and spent that month there with them and that was all I was able to do at that time. The reason I posted this information wasn't to say, "look at me and how wonderful I am" but I just wanted to say that people in the US are capable and do care about people in other countries around the world, myself included. I really don't want this to get into a discussion about "you" and "me" either. I think people all over the world, not just the US, would do well to look outside their tiny little self-circles and get a better grasp on things. Unfortunately, in my opinion, most people really don't care enough about people that they don't know and probably won't ever meet to really do anything about it. Those that do are often times the minority.

**Lucian**

That's exactly what I meant. I know dumb and smart people across the globe and as much as some people like to believe otherwise, each country has a bit of both. Oddly enough a lot of that can never be passed on through word of mouth. I met a Canadian guy in Bulgaria on a train once and he and I said the exact same thing. You gotta see this shit to believe and understand it. Some of the things I saw there taught me to never underestimate the experiences of life... and I guess what I want to do from here and what I plan to do from here is to travel as much as possible. Including all the US states at some point. <_< >_>

**Darkbee**

You could take an entire lifetime to visit all over the US and still not see everything. It is a vast country!

**Lucian**

It's like that with everything though. People tend to say they visited a "country" but all they've really seen is a town/city within a country... and even then. All they've really seen are a few districts within a town/city. Unfortunately there is just no way you could see everything, so I'm settling for some pre-picked locations in each State. Only problem now is figuring out what I'm going to do at those places.

**troymadsen**

@Lucian: If you are looking for some advice on what to see in the states, I am sure that those of us who live here could give you some tips. I have traveled around the US quite a bit myself. Of course the internet can give you a good starting place but nothing like talking with the "locals"

Po · This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 11/11/2008 01:25:35

Streen wrote:

Ecko wrote:Since when did Americans think they can control everything? Enlighten me.

pretty much exactly since after the second world war, after which the whole world was in shattered peaces and the US were the only ones that actually earned money on it, and as such the US had nobody that could oppose them in any way, both military and economically. Your president at the time declared that The US is not the strongest nation on the planet and that this status must be uphold at all cost.
Most Americans still don't wanna face that fact that this status isn't true anymore since decades....

This is a fucking stupid generalization, and it disappoints me. I'm so tired of people saying that "Americans" are this or "Americans" are that. Believe it or not, these days, we're not represented by our elected officials like we used to be. In fact, in many cases, we end up voting for the person that we dislike the least because we're not super fond of either of them. But lumping us into some huge "Americans" category just shows ignorance, not intelligence.

I have nothing to do with the everyday decisions that my government makes, believe it or not. It's not like officials like Bush say "I'm going to invade Iraq, so vote for me." We vote for who we hope will do the best job, and then it's basically out of our hands. Unless the president does something like rape a child, it's not like we have much power over him.

And it's not even "Most Americans," as you said. I think it's hilarious that the world judges us for things like invading Iraq when a MAJORITY of people who live here disagree with it and want our troops home. We are also well aware of the fact that we're not even close to being the only superpower in the world anymore...We might not even be number one.

Let me enlighten you, I have spoken to many people coming from nations all around Europe and the world, so believe me when I tell you that people dont start to hate you, but they really DO hate you. Nobody loves America these days and everybody is scared about what some lunatics in charge over there might do, there is no respect whatsoever. And all this is really funny cause after 911 you had the compassion of the whole world, everyone was on your side, and in just a few years you guys managed to piss EVERYONE off. Here in Europe, we were just hoping to live and see the day of the next re-election and hope that it would come before the next world war...

Now that you got a new president, most people might give it another try though. This was the best thing that could have happened to your nation. No matter how much Obama screws up, he will probably never be as bad as your current one.

anyway,I am just being honest, try to give you a european perspective

If this is the European perspective, then Europeans are fucking stupid. I understand that it's human nature to focus on the negative and judge everyone and lump people together, but it'd be wonderful if people used some discretion and realized that America isn't some Zerg hive mind or something.

You talk and act like you understand us Americans so well. How? You're not American. Do you live here? Are you inundated by the culture every day? No. You live thousands of miles away and know what they feed you from the news and other television. In other words, you don't know shit. By lumping the majority of us together into this idiotic opinion you post, you reveal your own ignorance. I'd probably put a stop to that if I were you.

I'm sorry that this sounds harsh, and you're usually okay, Streen...I'm fucking tired of hearing absolutely retarded opinions spouted from morons overseas because it's easier to hate then use your brain. Get off the bandwagon and use some discretionary thinking.

**VTTruck**

I cant even read all this volume. Thank god the election is over eh?

**Darkbee**

So TroyMadsen got voted off the spam whore island by the tribal council then?

**VTTruck**

So far as I can tell, DB is the current spam whore

Po

Only because I've been tired lately. ;p

**Lucian**

@ troy: Already got a set amount of locations in mind, but could always use with a few more suggestions.

@ Po: Just glanced at your post. First up... why do you care?! You're Alaska.

Secondly. Don't group all Europeans with Ecko. His voice is his own, much like yours is your own. You are not America and he is not Europe.

Also, Korea is apparently the Zerg hive or so I hear. <_< >_>

Oh... and you're not sorry to be harsh. You love every living moment of it.

Po

Lucian wrote:@ troy: Already got a set amount of locations in mind, but could always use with a few more suggestions.

@ Po: Just glanced at your post. First up... why do you care?! You're Alaska.

Secondly. Don't group all Europeans with Ecko. His voice is his own, much like yours is your own. You are not America and he is not Europe.

Also, Korea is apparently the Zerg hive or so I hear. <_< >_>

Oh... and you're not sorry to be harsh. You love every living moment of it.

I actually wasn't the one grouping all Europeans togther...He was, with all the "you think we hate you, WE DO HATE YOU" bullshit. lol

**Lucian**

Delusions of grandeur. Only the most elitist amongst us have the right to refer to ourselves as we. He clearly doesn't fall under such a category, let alone when that not only encompasses an entire nation, but an entire continent.

In other words... fuck im.

09/11/2008 14:38:40 Re:Don't forget to vote America!
Warmaker Berserker Offline	@Troy - Lucian has a point about your comments with Nimibia. First, you make yourself sound like a bad person when you say, "It's in southern Africa, go find a map. In fact, you probably don't know where Africa is. It's on the globe." That's insulting and not going to get your point across. Second, as Lucian also pointed out, when you say you were there and you helped out, good for you. But you also sound like you're bragging about it. "Hey, look at what an amazing humanitarian I am." It makes me think of celebrities who support a cause.... for a week. It shouldn't be about what you did, it should be about how they benefited. Claiming to have experienced the worst of all of us is also not cool. There are some nasty parts of the world, and we may have been there. I was in the U.S. Marines for 6 years. I've been to those places. I've seen the armpits of the world and 'living there' for a month does not give you an accurate depiction of what life is like. You knew you would eventually go back home. You weren't in a hopeless and helpless situation. It's good to support causes around the world, but don't associate yourself with them. When universities in the U.S. have kids spend a night outdoors during the winter to bring awareness to homelessness, I shake my head. At home, we called it camping. It doesn't give them a true view of what it's like to be homeless. The same goes with you and Africa. @Lucian - Solid words, man. I may correct people when they're wrong, but I sure as hell don't tell them their own business. I would never accuse a guy I didn't know of not being able to identify Laos on a map. It's not about the individual experiences, but the world as a whole. I'm a fan of world cultures and I like learning about people on this little planet. Good effort on you for trying to keep the "you" and "me" away from the discussion and refocus the conversation on the big picture. People should travel and experience everything there is to offer before forming their opinions. It's a shame that's not how most folks feel. @Everyone else - Tighten your chinstraps, ladies. Jump in with your 2 cents! Cultural Note : The chinstrap is a small device used for securing a helmet onto a player's head. It is a reference often found in American Football, or as my buddy from Peru calls it, "North American Armoured Wankball." The more you know!
09/11/2008 16:22:33 Re:Don't forget to vote America!
Darkbee Berserker Offline	I thought about making a comment but I'm almost afraid... keep your hands off that red button!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09/11/2008 19:04:45 Re:Don't forget to vote America!
troymadsen Tank Offline	Lucian wrote:For those of you in the US, look outside of your own world for a moment and realize that there are countries where it's downright impossible to find a job that pays more than a few hundred dollars a month if that. Realize that this isn't just something you look at for five minutes and forget about as it happens 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year for the rest of their lives! That's a bloody long time. You don't have to "help" but learning about what's out there will do you a lot of good. I guess this statement was what made me respond the way I did. I understand what you said about generalizations, but obviously I feel strongly about this subject. I am sorry for the way I responded, I realize it was a bit harsh and I don't know your personal situation or where you come from. You're right that I don't know exactly what it is like for the poor people that I spent time with in Namibia, and I don't claim to, but I went over there right after high school and spent that month there with them and that was all I was able to do at that time. The reason I posted this information wasn't to say, "look at me and how wonderful I am" but I just wanted to say that people in the US are capable and do care about people in other countries around the world, myself included. I really don't want this to get into a discussion about "you" and "me" either. I think people all over the world, not just the US, would do well to look outside their tiny little self-circles and get a better grasp on things. Unfortunately, in my opinion, most people really don't care enough about people that they don't know and probably won't ever meet to really do anything about it. Those that do are often times the minority.
10/11/2008 20:27:39 Re:Don't forget to vote America!
Lucian Berserker Offline	That's exactly what I meant. I know dumb and smart people across the globe and as much as some people like to believe otherwise, each country has a bit of both. Oddly enough a lot of that can never be passed on through word of mouth. I met a Canadian guy in Bulgaria on a train once and he and I said the exact same thing. You gotta see this shit to believe and understand it. Some of the things I saw there taught me to never underestimate the experiences of life... and I guess what I want to do from here and what I plan to do from here is to travel as much as possible. Including all the US states at some point. <_< >_>
10/11/2008 20:29:46 Re:Don't forget to vote America!
Darkbee Berserker Offline	You could take an entire lifetime to visit all over the US and still not see everything. It is a vast country!
10/11/2008 22:12:06 Re:Don't forget to vote America!
Lucian Berserker Offline	It's like that with everything though. People tend to say they visited a "country" but all they've really seen is a town/city within a country... and even then. All they've really seen are a few districts within a town/city. Unfortunately there is just no way you could see everything, so I'm settling for some pre-picked locations in each State. Only problem now is figuring out what I'm going to do at those places.
11/11/2008 00:26:41 Re:Don't forget to vote America!
troymadsen Tank Offline	@Lucian: If you are looking for some advice on what to see in the states, I am sure that those of us who live here could give you some tips. I have traveled around the US quite a bit myself. Of course the internet can give you a good starting place but nothing like talking with the "locals"
11/11/2008 01:23:07 Re:Don't forget to vote America!
Po Berserker Offline	Streen wrote: Ecko wrote:Since when did Americans think they can control everything? Enlighten me. pretty much exactly since after the second world war, after which the whole world was in shattered peaces and the US were the only ones that actually earned money on it, and as such the US had nobody that could oppose them in any way, both military and economically. Your president at the time declared that The US is not the strongest nation on the planet and that this status must be uphold at all cost. Most Americans still don't wanna face that fact that this status isn't true anymore since decades.... This is a fucking stupid generalization, and it disappoints me. I'm so tired of people saying that "Americans" are this or "Americans" are that. Believe it or not, these days, we're not represented by our elected officials like we used to be. In fact, in many cases, we end up voting for the person that we dislike the least because we're not super fond of either of them. But lumping us into some huge "Americans" category just shows ignorance, not intelligence. I have nothing to do with the everyday decisions that my government makes, believe it or not. It's not like officials like Bush say "I'm going to invade Iraq, so vote for me." We vote for who we hope will do the best job, and then it's basically out of our hands. Unless the president does something like rape a child, it's not like we have much power over him. And it's not even "Most Americans," as you said. I think it's hilarious that the world judges us for things like invading Iraq when a MAJORITY of people who live here disagree with it and want our troops home. We are also well aware of the fact that we're not even close to being the only superpower in the world anymore...We might not even be number one. Let me enlighten you, I have spoken to many people coming from nations all around Europe and the world, so believe me when I tell you that people dont start to hate you, but they really DO hate you. Nobody loves America these days and everybody is scared about what some lunatics in charge over there might do, there is no respect whatsoever. And all this is really funny cause after 911 you had the compassion of the whole world, everyone was on your side, and in just a few years you guys managed to piss EVERYONE off. Here in Europe, we were just hoping to live and see the day of the next re-election and hope that it would come before the next world war... Now that you got a new president, most people might give it another try though. This was the best thing that could have happened to your nation. No matter how much Obama screws up, he will probably never be as bad as your current one. anyway,I am just being honest, try to give you a european perspective If this is the European perspective, then Europeans are fucking stupid. I understand that it's human nature to focus on the negative and judge everyone and lump people together, but it'd be wonderful if people used some discretion and realized that America isn't some Zerg hive mind or something. You talk and act like you understand us Americans so well. How? You're not American. Do you live here? Are you inundated by the culture every day? No. You live thousands of miles away and know what they feed you from the news and other television. In other words, you don't know shit. By lumping the majority of us together into this idiotic opinion you post, you reveal your own ignorance. I'd probably put a stop to that if I were you. I'm sorry that this sounds harsh, and you're usually okay, Streen...I'm fucking tired of hearing absolutely retarded opinions spouted from morons overseas because it's easier to hate then use your brain. Get off the bandwagon and use some discretionary thinking. This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 11/11/2008 01:25:35
11/11/2008 01:47:29 Re:Don't forget to vote America!
VTTruck Berserker Offline	I cant even read all this volume. Thank god the election is over eh?
11/11/2008 04:27:15 Re:Don't forget to vote America!
Darkbee Berserker Offline	So TroyMadsen got voted off the spam whore island by the tribal council then?
11/11/2008 04:54:38 Re:Don't forget to vote America!
VTTruck Berserker Offline	So far as I can tell, DB is the current spam whore
11/11/2008 08:25:21 Re:Don't forget to vote America!
Po Berserker Offline	Only because I've been tired lately. ;p
11/11/2008 08:55:17 Re:Don't forget to vote America!
Lucian Berserker Offline	@ troy: Already got a set amount of locations in mind, but could always use with a few more suggestions. @ Po: Just glanced at your post. First up... why do you care?! You're Alaska. Secondly. Don't group all Europeans with Ecko. His voice is his own, much like yours is your own. You are not America and he is not Europe. Also, Korea is apparently the Zerg hive or so I hear. <_< >_> Oh... and you're not sorry to be harsh. You love every living moment of it.
11/11/2008 10:15:36 Re:Don't forget to vote America!
Po Berserker Offline	Lucian wrote:@ troy: Already got a set amount of locations in mind, but could always use with a few more suggestions. @ Po: Just glanced at your post. First up... why do you care?! You're Alaska. Secondly. Don't group all Europeans with Ecko. His voice is his own, much like yours is your own. You are not America and he is not Europe. Also, Korea is apparently the Zerg hive or so I hear. <_< >_> Oh... and you're not sorry to be harsh. You love every living moment of it. I actually wasn't the one grouping all Europeans togther...He was, with all the "you think we hate you, WE DO HATE YOU" bullshit. lol
11/11/2008 13:09:52 Re:Don't forget to vote America!
Lucian Berserker Offline	Delusions of grandeur. Only the most elitist amongst us have the right to refer to ourselves as we. He clearly doesn't fall under such a category, let alone when that not only encompasses an entire nation, but an entire continent. In other words... fuck im.