Weewar Forum

**Lucian**

Point farmers are becoming more and more frequent. I think we need to separate them out as a new sort.

**VTTruck**

while point farmers aren't in the same league as droners (worst) they do represent a problem in general to the site. they discourage new players to keep playing. i think that was one of the devs discussion points months back; i.e. how to encourage new players to stay longer. pillaging noobs does not encourage people to stay around.

the new 'point system' to starting games should help this a ton.

**VTTruck**

just for the record:

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calioon1989
oh i just play this game for fun, hosting games and play anyone who joins i don't care if they are good or not?
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calioon1989
doesn't bother me, call me wahtever you want, game is fun though
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calioon1989
i've lost to people below 1500
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pro player VTTruckon1880
the game is great. but when top players continually beat the newbies it turns them away.
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pro player VTTruckon1880
if you're just looking for a good game - set the point range in your open invites to 1700 as would be appropriate for your rank.
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pro player VTTruckon1880
or play unrated if you love it that much (like many of us do).
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calioon1989
actually i alwyas give tips to first time players, i'm sure a lot would vouch for me
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calioon1989
i find if i put rating requirements, it takes hours for someone to join, most high ranked players are pro and want pro maps/units which i dislike =/
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pro player VTTruckon1880
all 16 people you've played? or is it 17 now? 78 games, very few players.
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pro player VTTruckon1880
so play unrated games.
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pro player VTTruckon1880
i've played tons of new players, always unrated so that they can learn peacefully.
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calioon1989
that recent doesn't even work, i've played like 60 different people
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pro player VTTruckon1880
it doesnt stop me from giving tips either.
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pro player VTTruckon1880
actually the recent has proven pretty reliable over the time i've been here.
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pro player VTTruckon1880
doesnt mean it isnt acting poorly now, if so your situation would certainly look different
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pro player VTTruckon1880
but nobody else has found it to be broken.
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calioon1989
i know for an absolute fact, that recent is not working
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calioon1989
i played a game vs a top player named leelar, it was awesome, and yet he's not on my list
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calioon1989
i've played so many people who aren't on that recent, dunno why =/
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pro player VTTruckon1880
funny, its working perfectly for me. those i've played recently are on the tab including new and old players.
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calioon1989
not for me, i've played a few people this morning, that don't show up
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pro player VTTruckon1880
as i said, if its broken theres a different story to be heard. please, tell us which 1700 players you've been in with recently? whom other than noobs are you playing? playing <1600 for wins is point farming. you became noticeable when you hit the top 15.
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calioon1989
i don't know, i've played leelar and watyousay or something those are 2 awesome players that stood out, i just host a game and play anyone who joins, you can call me wahtever you like i do'nt intend to get involved in this community i just play the games
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pro player VTTruckon1880
enjoy your day then.
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calioon1989
u 2 bro

**spadequack** · This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 29/03/2009 20:00:30

i feel like in the case of calio, as long as he plays some rated games with players with ratings comparable to his, his place in the rankings will settle to where it should be. if he turns out to be an exceptionally good player, then i would consider it point farming.

i think this is more of a problem of having aruba and el pentano pequeno as standard maps which any player can join. usually new players join games on these maps because they look quick and they can only join games on standard maps. many players, perhaps including calio, are not aware of blue's advantage on those maps.

**VTTruck** · This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 29/03/2009 21:24:45

i wouldn't mind as much what he's doing, if he was playing anyone of consequence to go along with the noobs.
if he didnt know aruba was biased before he should now.

in the end, i think its commonly agreed that abusing noobs for points is detrimental to recruiting and keeping new players here. if that is not accurate then i'll retract my objections to his point farming. OTOH that removes the main argument against point farming. there is nothing illegal about it other than discouraging new players.

**Lucian**

Another downfall of the point system.

Then again... I've no problem with people like him that actually accept an invite. It's those that invite others on biased maps and don't accept invites on those same maps that are most definitely aware of point farming and are doing it purposefully.

**applepath**

as revealed in game #150636 and maybe elsewhere: clearly invite6 and invite7 are involved in droning...and it appears Fraid is the same player as well...kind of smells

**Lucian**

That's kind of a given. There are a lot of invite accounts. I'm not sure what the hell this dude's trying. I doubt he's testing, but this much should be common sense. I mean it's the same username with a different number. Just check the join date, the user ID (which are one right after the next) and if for some reason you're still unsure, use the spy script to check their games.

**baltika**

what about bananajoe?

only see him playing aruba against weaker opponents (considering points). is already at 1850.

i don't have evidence for this and will not collect it, but maybe other players have the same experience...

if i'm wrong, sorry bananajoe!

**Lucian**

Based on his recently played tab, he most definitely favors playing low ranking players and all four of his current matches are invites on Aruba, though two turned against him. I'd say he's either someone who really loves Aruba or more likely a blatant point farmer. Invite him to a game on Aruba and if he declines as red, you prove that he is guilty.

**Darkbee**

Yesterday there was a lot of talk on community chat about BananaJoe (46774). He had created a rated, open game on Aruba and Antayat (58829), a new player joined the game. Naturally, antayat lost and was indifferent stating that it was his/her choice to join the game, but taking advantage of a newbie, is taking advantage of a newbie whichever way you spin it. BananaJoe could have done the decent thing and offered peace.

One to watch I'd say.

**Lucian**

Once again, it could have been innocent, but my instinct says it wasn't. Invite him to the map rated and if he accepts then it is likely that he doesn't know about the bias and just likes the map. If he declines, he's a point whore.

**Darkbee**

Now that's what I like to see:
http://weewar.com/game/150758
http://weewar.com/game/150854

Looks like BananaJoe is getting a run for his money. Nice.

**Lucian**

Yup. That's what I said about the tables turning on him. Still. Has anyone tried inviting him to a game?

**davewasthere**

I don't know about 'cheating' per se, but think these two are definitely cooperative playing without mentioning it at the start:
http://weewar.com/user/JunkNJones
http://weewar.com/user/Racker

Here's my game
http://weewar.com/game/147720

And another one where it looks like they've teamed up
http://weewar.com/game/146708

Am happy to play teams if it's mentioned at the start, but hidden cooperation like this does suck a little. Not sure what to do about it really...

28/03/2009 14:16:26 Re:Cheaters
Lucian Berserker Offline	Point farmers are becoming more and more frequent. I think we need to separate them out as a new sort.
28/03/2009 14:25:29 Re:Cheaters
VTTruck Berserker Offline	while point farmers aren't in the same league as droners (worst) they do represent a problem in general to the site. they discourage new players to keep playing. i think that was one of the devs discussion points months back; i.e. how to encourage new players to stay longer. pillaging noobs does not encourage people to stay around. the new 'point system' to starting games should help this a ton.
28/03/2009 16:12:03 Re:Cheaters
VTTruck Berserker Offline	just for the record: * calioon1989 oh i just play this game for fun, hosting games and play anyone who joins i don't care if they are good or not? * calioon1989 doesn't bother me, call me wahtever you want, game is fun though * calioon1989 i've lost to people below 1500 * pro player VTTruckon1880 the game is great. but when top players continually beat the newbies it turns them away. * pro player VTTruckon1880 if you're just looking for a good game - set the point range in your open invites to 1700 as would be appropriate for your rank. * pro player VTTruckon1880 or play unrated if you love it that much (like many of us do). * calioon1989 actually i alwyas give tips to first time players, i'm sure a lot would vouch for me * calioon1989 i find if i put rating requirements, it takes hours for someone to join, most high ranked players are pro and want pro maps/units which i dislike =/ * pro player VTTruckon1880 all 16 people you've played? or is it 17 now? 78 games, very few players. * pro player VTTruckon1880 so play unrated games. * pro player VTTruckon1880 i've played tons of new players, always unrated so that they can learn peacefully. * calioon1989 that recent doesn't even work, i've played like 60 different people * pro player VTTruckon1880 it doesnt stop me from giving tips either. * pro player VTTruckon1880 actually the recent has proven pretty reliable over the time i've been here. * pro player VTTruckon1880 doesnt mean it isnt acting poorly now, if so your situation would certainly look different * pro player VTTruckon1880 but nobody else has found it to be broken. * calioon1989 i know for an absolute fact, that recent is not working * calioon1989 i played a game vs a top player named leelar, it was awesome, and yet he's not on my list * calioon1989 i've played so many people who aren't on that recent, dunno why =/ * pro player VTTruckon1880 funny, its working perfectly for me. those i've played recently are on the tab including new and old players. * calioon1989 not for me, i've played a few people this morning, that don't show up * pro player VTTruckon1880 as i said, if its broken theres a different story to be heard. please, tell us which 1700 players you've been in with recently? whom other than noobs are you playing? playing <1600 for wins is point farming. you became noticeable when you hit the top 15. * calioon1989 i don't know, i've played leelar and watyousay or something those are 2 awesome players that stood out, i just host a game and play anyone who joins, you can call me wahtever you like i do'nt intend to get involved in this community i just play the games * pro player VTTruckon1880 enjoy your day then. * calioon1989 u 2 bro
29/03/2009 19:59:43 Re:Cheaters
spadequack Heavy Tank Online	i feel like in the case of calio, as long as he plays some rated games with players with ratings comparable to his, his place in the rankings will settle to where it should be. if he turns out to be an exceptionally good player, then i would consider it point farming. i think this is more of a problem of having aruba and el pentano pequeno as standard maps which any player can join. usually new players join games on these maps because they look quick and they can only join games on standard maps. many players, perhaps including calio, are not aware of blue's advantage on those maps. This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 29/03/2009 20:00:30
29/03/2009 21:23:43 Re:Cheaters
VTTruck Berserker Offline	i wouldn't mind as much what he's doing, if he was playing anyone of consequence to go along with the noobs. if he didnt know aruba was biased before he should now. in the end, i think its commonly agreed that abusing noobs for points is detrimental to recruiting and keeping new players here. if that is not accurate then i'll retract my objections to his point farming. OTOH that removes the main argument against point farming. there is nothing illegal about it other than discouraging new players. This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 29/03/2009 21:24:45
29/03/2009 23:05:54 Re:Cheaters
Lucian Berserker Offline	Another downfall of the point system. Then again... I've no problem with people like him that actually accept an invite. It's those that invite others on biased maps and don't accept invites on those same maps that are most definitely aware of point farming and are doing it purposefully.
05/04/2009 19:01:06 Re:Cheaters
applepath Trooper Offline	as revealed in game #150636 and maybe elsewhere: clearly invite6 and invite7 are involved in droning...and it appears Fraid is the same player as well...kind of smells
06/04/2009 11:13:39 Re:Cheaters
Lucian Berserker Offline	That's kind of a given. There are a lot of invite accounts. I'm not sure what the hell this dude's trying. I doubt he's testing, but this much should be common sense. I mean it's the same username with a different number. Just check the join date, the user ID (which are one right after the next) and if for some reason you're still unsure, use the spy script to check their games.
07/04/2009 10:57:48 Re:Cheaters
baltika Heavy Trooper Offline	what about bananajoe? only see him playing aruba against weaker opponents (considering points). is already at 1850. i don't have evidence for this and will not collect it, but maybe other players have the same experience... if i'm wrong, sorry bananajoe!
07/04/2009 11:37:26 Re:Cheaters
Lucian Berserker Offline	Based on his recently played tab, he most definitely favors playing low ranking players and all four of his current matches are invites on Aruba, though two turned against him. I'd say he's either someone who really loves Aruba or more likely a blatant point farmer. Invite him to a game on Aruba and if he declines as red, you prove that he is guilty.
07/04/2009 12:19:06 Re:Cheaters
Darkbee Berserker Offline	Yesterday there was a lot of talk on community chat about BananaJoe (46774). He had created a rated, open game on Aruba and Antayat (58829), a new player joined the game. Naturally, antayat lost and was indifferent stating that it was his/her choice to join the game, but taking advantage of a newbie, is taking advantage of a newbie whichever way you spin it. BananaJoe could have done the decent thing and offered peace. One to watch I'd say.
07/04/2009 12:23:26 Re:Cheaters
Lucian Berserker Offline	Once again, it could have been innocent, but my instinct says it wasn't. Invite him to the map rated and if he accepts then it is likely that he doesn't know about the bias and just likes the map. If he declines, he's a point whore.
07/04/2009 16:04:16 Re:Cheaters
Darkbee Berserker Offline	Now that's what I like to see: http://weewar.com/game/150758 http://weewar.com/game/150854 Looks like BananaJoe is getting a run for his money. Nice.
08/04/2009 09:10:29 Re:Cheaters
Lucian Berserker Offline	Yup. That's what I said about the tables turning on him. Still. Has anyone tried inviting him to a game?
10/04/2009 15:06:07 Re:Cheaters
davewasthere Raider Offline	I don't know about 'cheating' per se, but think these two are definitely cooperative playing without mentioning it at the start: http://weewar.com/user/JunkNJones http://weewar.com/user/Racker Here's my game http://weewar.com/game/147720 And another one where it looks like they've teamed up http://weewar.com/game/146708 Am happy to play teams if it's mentioned at the start, but hidden cooperation like this does suck a little. Not sure what to do about it really...