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**General_Death**

Thanks McMonster, if Jeye says it's unbalanced then it is.. I'm just looking for fair one on one maps, i don't like UTI, because I don't think that map is balanced either.

Either way, should be a challenge to look for a suitable map

**McMonster**

here's a land battle suggestion - jeye introduced me too it. pretty dynamic:
http://weewar.com/map/36114

alternating between sea and land centric maps seems OK?

**CaptainCupCake**

General_Death wrote:i don't like UTI, because I don't think that map is balanced either.

Invite me sometime to test that assertion. If I lose, it's definitely biased

I think like some other NM maps, there is very limited room for error/experimentation as red.

General_Death wrote:Either way, should be a challenge to look for a suitable map

True. Everyone has their favourites. Like MM's suggestion of sea then land centric maps - although the ideal is to have a map that has equal emphasis on both aspects. I naturally favour maps with more of a nautical flavour

Knowing the map well does count for something - the most level playing field would be something balanced and unknown.

**General_Death** · This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 24/03/2010 01:29:13

I totally agree cupcake, I think a brand new map that no one has played before is in order. Maybe someone should create it, then we can get Mr. Stirling to Edit it?.. That's another suggestion

I suck at making maps, but I'll try to create one anyway, just for the hell of it

**Yourtime**

take mine

it's nearly one year old.. and need maybe a little bit more balance (because the first moves are the most important) but it's a quick map

**General_Death**

Which one is it Yourtime, you forgot to post the link?

**Yourtime** · This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 24/03/2010 03:46:19

General_Death wrote:Which one is it Yourtime, you forgot to post the link?

I have only one

Little StandOne V1.3

about the position I figured out that some things like position of habour isn't in balance and things like the aid field make not really much sense in the water (except for hovers) and a hill is left too (I would say), don't know I'm not a balance specialist, I try to keep on the rules of the thumb = one move better for the second person , both side should be balanced :s

CrazyMuffin meant: (I hope I'm allowed to quote muffin

)

I think the map could be fine. BUt there's a challenge that that first turn or two basically determines the game.
There's a perception (of mine at least) that the map FEELS unbalanced just because the first turn is SOO important. I bet what happens on the other islands will never change what's been decided by who takes the middle bottom base.
Now, what about placing the starting positions on the two middle-sized islands?

That's what I wanted make today (, because I havn't got the time yesterday)

**Copes**

General_Death wrote:i don't like UTI, because I don't think that map is balanced either.

Hey guys, I took a stab at balancing UTI awhile back: http://weewar.com/map/39170

The starting position in this one is balanced (I believe), and encourages lots of combat relatively early.

I think that UTI would make a great tournament map since it requires a combined effort of air/land/sea forces.

**CaptainCupCake** · This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 24/03/2010 08:00:21

There'll be a few people reading this who know I hate UTI, never play it, don't know what the fuss is all about. But I'm willing to go along with this variant out of altruism

This version changes the opening game significantly, speeds it up and makes it more ..err...cough...obviously balanced. Interesting, I wouldn't be averse

As Copes says, it has a great balance between units - I found occasion to build and use pretty much everything the game offers. People who want to pump out destroyers will be sadly disappointed. I also like the way the income forces you to make difficult choices about the type and location of your builds.

Having said all that, I doubt we'll end up playing it, and there's been some good alternatives. I'm still partial to Shallow Waters - a map I've only played twice, but always found it to be dynamic and fun to watch, never mind play. This presupposes there's a balanced version around, and I agree with earlier points about balancing land and water if we're not having both at the same time.

Whatever is cool by all. It may well eventuate that I never get to play on the next choice

**RockyDog**

how can we have 10K maps and be struggling to find 3 good and balanced ones?

how about these relatively low played maps:

or this one which has always seemed fair

**RockyDog**

also - just a reminder - please post game links in the results threads when games start.
if the game has finished dont post the link, please post the result in that same thread.

**CaptainCupCake**

RockyDog wrote:how can we have 10K maps and be struggling to find 3 good and balanced ones?

Because there are hardly any tools to help you find, sort and categorise them

**mawif**

RockyDog wrote:vwnumber3 and entregreeneur are trial accounts and full up on games. i've posted a note to all the other blue players to start their games. It's up to the tourney mods, but I'd say if those games aren't started by Wednesday AM, that the lower ranked player should invite the higher ranked player.

thoughts?

i'm not in favor of the island in either event since it may boil down to someone getting bored. if that's the case use Niki's Under the Influence where stalemates are harder to find.

OK, anyone able to get in touch with entregreeneur? Trial player, with 5 games in HQ so I can't invite, and the ones that are still going have private chat. Has been logged in a few times since the weekend, but doesn't seem to be checking the forum.

**befree**

36 KurtBaldwin wins against 29 befree
in
29 befree vs. 36 KurtBaldwin
http://weewar.com/game/222583

**RockyDog** · This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 25/03/2010 01:48:06

lucky you befree - Kurt general_death will invite you soon i'm sure.

23/03/2010 15:42:29 Re:3rd Annual Tournament
General_Death Tank Offline	Thanks McMonster, if Jeye says it's unbalanced then it is.. I'm just looking for fair one on one maps, i don't like UTI, because I don't think that map is balanced either. Either way, should be a challenge to look for a suitable map
23/03/2010 16:08:31 Re:3rd Annual Tournament
McMonster Tank Offline	here's a land battle suggestion - jeye introduced me too it. pretty dynamic: http://weewar.com/map/36114 alternating between sea and land centric maps seems OK?
23/03/2010 18:34:15 Re:3rd Annual Tournament
CaptainCupCake Tank Offline	General_Death wrote:i don't like UTI, because I don't think that map is balanced either. Invite me sometime to test that assertion. If I lose, it's definitely biased I think like some other NM maps, there is very limited room for error/experimentation as red. General_Death wrote:Either way, should be a challenge to look for a suitable map True. Everyone has their favourites. Like MM's suggestion of sea then land centric maps - although the ideal is to have a map that has equal emphasis on both aspects. I naturally favour maps with more of a nautical flavour Knowing the map well does count for something - the most level playing field would be something balanced and unknown.
24/03/2010 01:28:43 Re:3rd Annual Tournament
General_Death Tank Offline	I totally agree cupcake, I think a brand new map that no one has played before is in order. Maybe someone should create it, then we can get Mr. Stirling to Edit it?.. That's another suggestion I suck at making maps, but I'll try to create one anyway, just for the hell of it This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 24/03/2010 01:29:13
24/03/2010 01:56:09 Re:3rd Annual Tournament
Yourtime Raider Offline	take mine it's nearly one year old.. and need maybe a little bit more balance (because the first moves are the most important) but it's a quick map
24/03/2010 01:58:09 Re:3rd Annual Tournament
General_Death Tank Offline	Which one is it Yourtime, you forgot to post the link?
24/03/2010 03:36:38 Re:3rd Annual Tournament
Yourtime Raider Offline	General_Death wrote:Which one is it Yourtime, you forgot to post the link? I have only one Little StandOne V1.3 about the position I figured out that some things like position of habour isn't in balance and things like the aid field make not really much sense in the water (except for hovers) and a hill is left too (I would say), don't know I'm not a balance specialist, I try to keep on the rules of the thumb = one move better for the second person , both side should be balanced :s CrazyMuffin meant: (I hope I'm allowed to quote muffin ) I think the map could be fine. BUt there's a challenge that that first turn or two basically determines the game. There's a perception (of mine at least) that the map FEELS unbalanced just because the first turn is SOO important. I bet what happens on the other islands will never change what's been decided by who takes the middle bottom base. Now, what about placing the starting positions on the two middle-sized islands? That's what I wanted make today (, because I havn't got the time yesterday) This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 24/03/2010 03:46:19
24/03/2010 04:19:45 Re:3rd Annual Tournament
Copes Heavy Trooper Offline	General_Death wrote:i don't like UTI, because I don't think that map is balanced either. Hey guys, I took a stab at balancing UTI awhile back: http://weewar.com/map/39170 The starting position in this one is balanced (I believe), and encourages lots of combat relatively early. I think that UTI would make a great tournament map since it requires a combined effort of air/land/sea forces.
24/03/2010 07:59:17 Re:3rd Annual Tournament
CaptainCupCake Tank Offline	There'll be a few people reading this who know I hate UTI, never play it, don't know what the fuss is all about. But I'm willing to go along with this variant out of altruism This version changes the opening game significantly, speeds it up and makes it more ..err...cough...obviously balanced. Interesting, I wouldn't be averse As Copes says, it has a great balance between units - I found occasion to build and use pretty much everything the game offers. People who want to pump out destroyers will be sadly disappointed. I also like the way the income forces you to make difficult choices about the type and location of your builds. Having said all that, I doubt we'll end up playing it, and there's been some good alternatives. I'm still partial to Shallow Waters - a map I've only played twice, but always found it to be dynamic and fun to watch, never mind play. This presupposes there's a balanced version around, and I agree with earlier points about balancing land and water if we're not having both at the same time. Whatever is cool by all. It may well eventuate that I never get to play on the next choice This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 24/03/2010 08:00:21
24/03/2010 10:29:29 Re:3rd Annual Tournament
RockyDog Berserker Offline	how can we have 10K maps and be struggling to find 3 good and balanced ones? how about these relatively low played maps: or this one which has always seemed fair
24/03/2010 10:30:12 Re:3rd Annual Tournament
RockyDog Berserker Offline	also - just a reminder - please post game links in the results threads when games start. if the game has finished dont post the link, please post the result in that same thread.
24/03/2010 10:49:05 Re:3rd Annual Tournament
CaptainCupCake Tank Offline	RockyDog wrote:how can we have 10K maps and be struggling to find 3 good and balanced ones? Because there are hardly any tools to help you find, sort and categorise them
24/03/2010 13:27:39 Re:3rd Annual Tournament
mawif Heavy Trooper Offline	RockyDog wrote:vwnumber3 and entregreeneur are trial accounts and full up on games. i've posted a note to all the other blue players to start their games. It's up to the tourney mods, but I'd say if those games aren't started by Wednesday AM, that the lower ranked player should invite the higher ranked player. thoughts? i'm not in favor of the island in either event since it may boil down to someone getting bored. if that's the case use Niki's Under the Influence where stalemates are harder to find. OK, anyone able to get in touch with entregreeneur? Trial player, with 5 games in HQ so I can't invite, and the ones that are still going have private chat. Has been logged in a few times since the weekend, but doesn't seem to be checking the forum.
25/03/2010 01:24:35 Re:3rd Annual Tournament
befree Trooper Offline	36 KurtBaldwin wins against 29 befree in 29 befree vs. 36 KurtBaldwin http://weewar.com/game/222583
25/03/2010 01:47:50 Re:3rd Annual Tournament
RockyDog Berserker Offline	lucky you befree - Kurt general_death will invite you soon i'm sure. This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 25/03/2010 01:48:06